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Hi all. Quick question: Anyone else install a DiMarzio Model one humbucker in their EB-0?? Read that it was a direct replacement drop in, and it does fit..Except, it sits super low from the strings. Still sounds okay, but I have never had a bass PU that far from the strings. I added some foam to raise it up, but then I get a gap between the PU cover and the body. Should I have gotten the Will Power? Thought I read where the pole spacing was better with Model one for EB-0.
Any answers/ thoughts/ comments??? Thanks in advance.
 
Hi all. Quick question: Anyone else install a DiMarzio Model one humbucker in their EB-0?? Read that it was a direct replacement drop in, and it does fit..Except, it sits super low from the strings. Still sounds okay, but I have never had a bass PU that far from the strings. I added some foam to raise it up, but then I get a gap between the PU cover and the body. Should I have gotten the Will Power? Thought I read where the pole spacing was better with Model one for EB-0.
Any answers/ thoughts/ comments??? Thanks in advance.
Is it the visual aspect that troubles you?. I put a Model 1 in the EB-3 I had and although it appeared to be a little shallower on the casing the sound was great. I still adjusted the individual poles to balance the tone witch you can do if that is an issue.
 
Not so much the visual. I would rather it sit flush than show the gap from raising it. However; I was more interested to see if anyone else had this happen and what they did or didn't do? The sound is still good and muddy.





Is it the visual aspect that troubles you?. I put a Model 1 in the EB-3 I had and although it appeared to be a little shallower on the casing the sound was great. I still adjusted the individual poles to balance the tone witch you can do if that is an issue.
 
it sits super low from the strings. Still sounds okay, but I have never had a bass PU that far from the strings. I added some foam to raise it up, but then I get a gap between the PU cover and the body. Should I have gotten the Will Power? Thought I read where the pole spacing was better with Model one for EB-0.
Any answers/ thoughts/ comments??? Thanks in advance.

Any pics? Just wondering how low. My stock pickup is flush with neck height.

Ive only done bridge upgrade and feel happy with tapes but my mind will still wonder about a pickup mod. Love the chrome of OG even though hear model one sounds better. My chrome addiction would probably lead to guild bisonic since model 1 just black though if i follow through (but eek requires routing).
 
An interesting alternative pickup:

I decided to re-wire my custom EB0 recently. The original build was based on an EB0 body that I picked up here in the Classifieds a few years ago. The prior owner had routed it for another mudbucker-sized pickup, near where a Precision pickup would be. Not as close to the bridge as the bridge pickup of an EB3. I put a TV Jones Thunder'Mag in that spot, and wired it through a John East BTB-01 two-band circuit, using the original pickup cavity by the neck as a battery holder. Looked like this:

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I really really like the TV Jones pickup, but I was feeling a bit limited by only having the one pickup in this bass. Being a complete addict to the Classifieds here, I had also recently picked up a factory Gibson SG neck pickup - the TB+ version, that isn't a sidewinder/mudbucker at all, but is a traditional dual-coil with fake pole pieces running down the center. I had also become enamored with the work of Jerry Sentell, and was particularly taken with his "Unmudbucker" replacement pickup for EB basses. So I bought one of those as well.

With two DiMarzio Model One pickups also in my collection, I found myself in the position of having too many pickups for just the one bass. :) I finally decided to put the Sentell Unmudbucker at the neck, and the Gibson TB+ in the not-really-bridge position. Having a limited number of control holes and a very small cavity, I also decided to remove the BTB-01 and go passive, with just a volume control and a three-way pickup selector switch.

The Unmudbucker is an interesting pickup, for several reasons. It's a sidewinder design (as are many of Sentell's offerings), but it uses Alnico rod magnets as pole pieces, as popularized by Fender. It's also only wound to 14 kOhm, as opposed to the 30 kOhm of the stock Gibson unit (and also I assume the stock Epi unit). Finally, he mounts the pickup in a clear plexiglass cover, so the original chrome cover can't be used. A very interesting look!

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And for those of you who might not have seen one of the Gibson TB+ pickups, here's what that pickup looks like under the cover:

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Here's the finished setup:

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I got a chance to spend a half hour this afternoon to plug it into my gig rig (a new vertical 4x10 and one of several Class D amps; today it was a TC BH250). First thing I discovered was that the pickups were out of phase with each other. This can happen when mixing pickups from different manufacturers; there's about a 50/50 chance of them being in phase, and I got unlucky this time. It's an easy fix, though - just swap the leads on one of the pickups. Since the Gibson uses a single-conductor with a braided shield, the obvious candidate was the Sentell. A quick wire swap (the soldering iron was already hot) and another test verified that I now had full volume in the center switch position.

My house wiring is very noisy, a problem which the Gibson pickup scoffs at, having substantial amounts of grounded metal in its construction. The Sentell, not so much. Buzz city. And with the plexiglass cover, there's no obvious way to try and shield the thing. I'll test it out in a few different venues; if it's only my house, then I'll leave it, but if it happens elsewhere, I may need to look into shielding the cavity, which means I'll need to find some black shielding paint somewhere, as my work will be visible through the plexiglass....

Another easily solved issue was the pole piece height on the Sentell. The rod magnets are not obviously adjustable, so I emailed Mr. Sentell and asked how I could lower them. He replied very quickly, and said that they are just a press fit, not glued in, so some careful pressure from a shop vise and they were handily set at the right height.

How do they sound?

First, the Sentell - even placed right up against the fingerboard, the Sentell has lots of high-end clarity. I suspect it's due to the narrow aperture that's inherent in the sidewinder design, coupled with the not-ridiculous amount of wiring, coupled with the Alnico rods.

The Sentell actually has more upper-end clarity than the Gibson does, even with their respective positions along the string length. The Gibson by itself is very midrangey. A good sound for certain styles; punk perhaps, but not for everything. Definitely not a candidate for a single-pickup bass. But when combined with the Sentell the end result has lots of pillowy girth down low, that classic slightly-scooped midrange when two pickups are combined, and the crispness of the Sentell. Very usable. And the Sentell soloed has (as expected) a cool early-60s pluck to it, but again, with more clarity than is usual here.

I'll reserve my final judgment until I'm able to rehearse and/or gig with it, but I'm satisfied for now that this will be workable. I do wonder, though, how it might work with these two pickups in the opposite locations.
 
I dont know why but I thought I would share this. This advertisement in my local ad from a pawn shop has been running for about a year and a half now. All the while I had my ebony EB3 I watched this ad and wished I would have bought this bass instead as I love the cherry finish. What is surprising is #1 How long they have been trying to sell it and #2 How they have not adjusted the price by even a dollar just to get rid of it. In mint condition at only a few years old the $399 they are asking cant be too much can it?. That bass sells new in my town for a bit over $600 with taxes. That beautiful beast needs a happy home and I cant help it:(.
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Are new Epi EB-3's really that expensive in Canada? CA$600 is about US$450, but Guitar Center in the US sells that bass for US$349. So even after converting the currency, you're paying about $100 more than we are.

GC currently has a few used Epi EB-3's for US$199, though none of them are in "excellent" or even "great" condition.

Personally, I've never been interested in the Epi EB-3 for two reasons: (1) it's long scale, and (2) the rotary switch is just a pickup selector, not a proper Varitone control. The modern Gibson SG bass doesn't have a Varitone either, but at least it's short scale. I don't think either of them use a traditional mudbucker, though you can install one easily enough.
 
An interesting alternative pickup:

I decided to re-wire my custom EB0 recently. The original build was based on an EB0 body that I picked up here in the Classifieds a few years ago. The prior owner had routed it for another mudbucker-sized pickup, near where a Precision pickup would be. Not as close to the bridge as the bridge pickup of an EB3. I put a TV Jones Thunder'Mag in that spot, and wired it through a John East BTB-01 two-band circuit, using the original pickup cavity by the neck as a battery holder. Looked like this:

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I really really like the TV Jones pickup, but I was feeling a bit limited by only having the one pickup in this bass. Being a complete addict to the Classifieds here, I had also recently picked up a factory Gibson SG neck pickup - the TB+ version, that isn't a sidewinder/mudbucker at all, but is a traditional dual-coil with fake pole pieces running down the center. I had also become enamored with the work of Jerry Sentell, and was particularly taken with his "Unmudbucker" replacement pickup for EB basses. So I bought one of those as well.

With two DiMarzio Model One pickups also in my collection, I found myself in the position of having too many pickups for just the one bass. :) I finally decided to put the Sentell Unmudbucker at the neck, and the Gibson TB+ in the not-really-bridge position. Having a limited number of control holes and a very small cavity, I also decided to remove the BTB-01 and go passive, with just a volume control and a three-way pickup selector switch.

The Unmudbucker is an interesting pickup, for several reasons. It's a sidewinder design (as are many of Sentell's offerings), but it uses Alnico rod magnets as pole pieces, as popularized by Fender. It's also only wound to 14 kOhm, as opposed to the 30 kOhm of the stock Gibson unit (and also I assume the stock Epi unit). Finally, he mounts the pickup in a clear plexiglass cover, so the original chrome cover can't be used. A very interesting look!

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And for those of you who might not have seen one of the Gibson TB+ pickups, here's what that pickup looks like under the cover:

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Here's the finished setup:

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I got a chance to spend a half hour this afternoon to plug it into my gig rig (a new vertical 4x10 and one of several Class D amps; today it was a TC BH250). First thing I discovered was that the pickups were out of phase with each other. This can happen when mixing pickups from different manufacturers; there's about a 50/50 chance of them being in phase, and I got unlucky this time. It's an easy fix, though - just swap the leads on one of the pickups. Since the Gibson uses a single-conductor with a braided shield, the obvious candidate was the Sentell. A quick wire swap (the soldering iron was already hot) and another test verified that I now had full volume in the center switch position.

My house wiring is very noisy, a problem which the Gibson pickup scoffs at, having substantial amounts of grounded metal in its construction. The Sentell, not so much. Buzz city. And with the plexiglass cover, there's no obvious way to try and shield the thing. I'll test it out in a few different venues; if it's only my house, then I'll leave it, but if it happens elsewhere, I may need to look into shielding the cavity, which means I'll need to find some black shielding paint somewhere, as my work will be visible through the plexiglass....

Another easily solved issue was the pole piece height on the Sentell. The rod magnets are not obviously adjustable, so I emailed Mr. Sentell and asked how I could lower them. He replied very quickly, and said that they are just a press fit, not glued in, so some careful pressure from a shop vise and they were handily set at the right height.

How do they sound?

First, the Sentell - even placed right up against the fingerboard, the Sentell has lots of high-end clarity. I suspect it's due to the narrow aperture that's inherent in the sidewinder design, coupled with the not-ridiculous amount of wiring, coupled with the Alnico rods.

The Sentell actually has more upper-end clarity than the Gibson does, even with their respective positions along the string length. The Gibson by itself is very midrangey. A good sound for certain styles; punk perhaps, but not for everything. Definitely not a candidate for a single-pickup bass. But when combined with the Sentell the end result has lots of pillowy girth down low, that classic slightly-scooped midrange when two pickups are combined, and the crispness of the Sentell. Very usable. And the Sentell soloed has (as expected) a cool early-60s pluck to it, but again, with more clarity than is usual here.

I'll reserve my final judgment until I'm able to rehearse and/or gig with it, but I'm satisfied for now that this will be workable. I do wonder, though, how it might work with these two pickups in the opposite locations.

I also am a big Jerry Sentell fan … he makes really good pickups at a good price and a fast turnaround time.

I tried to get another pickup maker to make me custom pickups for 5 string rickenbackers and it took years and they got it wrong … But Jerry Sentell got it right and did it in one week.
 
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Are new Epi EB-3's really that expensive in Canada? CA$600 is about US$450, but Guitar Center in the US sells that bass for US$349. So even after converting the currency, you're paying about $100 more than we are.

GC currently has a few used Epi EB-3's for US$199, though none of them are in "excellent" or even "great" condition.

Personally, I've never been interested in the Epi EB-3 for two reasons: (1) it's long scale, and (2) the rotary switch is just a pickup selector, not a proper Varitone control. The modern Gibson SG bass doesn't have a Varitone either, but at least it's short scale. I don't think either of them use a traditional mudbucker, though you can install one easily enough.
Yup, everything in Canada is significantly higher in price range unfortunately. On the EB3 I owned I pulled out the neck pup and put in a Dimarzio Model 1 witch sounded incredible. Loved the bass but hated the tapered neck so I ended up trading the bass.
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Hello Fellow Shwingers!

Goldmember celebrated a new bass day a few months ago: 2018 SG Bass. It weighs under 7 pounds. Trust me when I say that there is NO MUD. This has two state of the art modern humbuckers. I'm digging the feel of it, the sounds of it, the shmell of it...OH, the shmell. It's like candy. I have wanted one for so long.

I'm finding a groovy tone at 10 on neck and 8 on bridge. An interesting characteristic on this bass: when both pickups are on equal volume settings, there is a slight drop in volume...kinda like what I get with a Fender Jazz. Fret work is shmooth, shmoother than a pancake. Gibson did a splendid job on detail with this bass. After taking these pics, I strung it up with some new short scale Chromes (45-100), and the silk almost clears the nut upon installation, but after a few days of stretching, there's just enough space. No problem clearing the Babicz bridge at all.

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Hello Fellow Shwingers!

Goldmember celebrated a new bass day a few months ago: 2018 SG Bass. It weighs under 7 pounds.

Congrats!

Trust me when I say that there is NO MUD. This has two state of the art modern humbuckers.

Are the pickups any different this year than they've been for a while? The modern SG basses have always had Thunderbird neck pickups hidden under mudbucker-style covers. That's what my 2011 has.

I'm finding a groovy tone at 10 on neck and 8 on bridge.

Yeah, that's what I like too. It's kind of interesting, because with my other two-pickup basses (Fender Jazz, Rickenbacker 4003), I usually play one pickup or the other, rarely both together.

An interesting characteristic on this bass: when both pickups are on equal volume settings, there is a slight drop in volume...kinda like what I get with a Fender Jazz.

Yes, I've noticed that too.

Fret work is shmooth, shmoother than a pancake. Gibson did a splendid job on detail with this bass. After taking these pics, I strung it up with some new short scale Chromes (45-100), and the silk almost clears the nut upon installation, but after a few days of stretching, there's just enough space. No problem clearing the Babicz bridge at all.

My 2011 model originally came with the old Gibson three-point bridge, which leaves very little space between the ball end and the saddles, so strings with silk usually do end up with the silk sitting on the saddles unless you trim it back. I quickly replaced that bridge with the Hipshot SuperTone, which is similar to the Babicz that Gibson is now using -- a high-mass, full-contact bridge that moves the ball end back far enough that the silk doesn't land on the saddles. As you've discovered, short scale strings barely fit on the SG bass with this type of bridge. I now use medium scale La Bella Deep Talkin' flats (the 760FL-M set, .043"-.104"), which fit perfectly -- no problems at either end.
 
Hello Fellow Shwingers!

Goldmember celebrated a new bass day a few months ago: 2018 SG Bass. It weighs under 7 pounds. Trust me when I say that there is NO MUD. This has two state of the art modern humbuckers. I'm digging the feel of it, the sounds of it, the shmell of it...OH, the shmell. It's like candy. I have wanted one for so long.

I'm finding a groovy tone at 10 on neck and 8 on bridge. An interesting characteristic on this bass: when both pickups are on equal volume settings, there is a slight drop in volume...kinda like what I get with a Fender Jazz. Fret work is shmooth, shmoother than a pancake. Gibson did a splendid job on detail with this bass. After taking these pics, I strung it up with some new short scale Chromes (45-100), and the silk almost clears the nut upon installation, but after a few days of stretching, there's just enough space. No problem clearing the Babicz bridge at all.

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Beauty Goldmember! SG & EB Bass Club number #111


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