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Short scale, flatwounds, and a pick

I’ve been playing bass for 42 years, and while I’m no longer a gigging professional musician, I do still gig out regularly. And pretty every time I do play, I do it on a short scale bass strung with flatwounds and played with a pick.

Yeah, I know, kind of a triple heresy for most modern bassists, but hear me out on my reasons why. These have developed over many years of playing in lots of different bands, in varied styles. But first, a few caveats: I don’t slap or pop much, I haven’t played in a really heavy rock band in years, and I rarely play with distortion. If any of those three exceptions are where you live on bass, this probably won’t be too applicable to you.

Short scale: there is something truly magical about a good short scale bass – strong fundamental, slightly diminished harmonic content, and a lovely bendy feel that makes for easier note shaping. Mostly though, in my many years of experience, the short scale basses simply plop down in a band mix just perfectly. A good Precision Bass will also sit perfectly in a band situation, but for most other long scale basses, I usually had to extensively tweak the onboard EQ and/or the amp EQ to get a tone that worked right. With my short scales, it was pretty much always plug in and go.

Flatwounds: this took me longer to accept, but once I got my first set of TI Jazz Flats, I realized I loved the sound of flats, and the super bendy feel of the TI Jazz Flats was a revelation. Still, I used them on only one bass, and assumed I needed roundwounds for most gigs. It was only after 4 different bands said they preferred the bass with the flats did I finally have my epiphany: great flats simply sound better in most band situations and most duos as well. Unless you’re going for that Chris Squire/Geddy Lee trebly snap sound, flats are going to give you a stronger fundamental and sound bigger at the same volume level in a band setting.

Pick: when I play bass by myself, I much prefer the sound of my fingers. In a band, I can no longer deny that playing with a pick makes the note easier to hear. Something about that attack and midrange emphasis really pushes the fundamental of the note to the forefront, which is especially important when playing parts with strong melodies, countermelodies, or unusual harmonic notes. Even my bandmates who instinctively say they prefer bass played with fingers have told me to play with a pick most of the time. Of course, combined with a short scale and flatwounds, the pick doesn’t produce too much treble.

I hope these insights can assist some of you who may be struggling with bass orthodoxy to find what works best for you. Obviously, these choices aren’t going to work for everybody, and probably not even for most bassists, but they sure will work for quite a few. Feel free to experiment, and don’t let ideas of what you’re supposed to do get in the way of what sounds best for you.
 
I’ve been playing bass for 42 years, and while I’m no longer a gigging professional musician, I do still gig out regularly. And pretty every time I do play, I do it on a short scale bass strung with flatwounds and played with a pick.

Yeah, I know, kind of a triple heresy for most modern bassists, but hear me out on my reasons why. These have developed over many years of playing in lots of different bands, in varied styles. But first, a few caveats: I don’t slap or pop much, I haven’t played in a really heavy rock band in years, and I rarely play with distortion. If any of those three exceptions are where you live on bass, this probably won’t be too applicable to you.

Short scale: there is something truly magical about a good short scale bass – strong fundamental, slightly diminished harmonic content, and a lovely bendy feel that makes for easier note shaping. Mostly though, in my many years of experience, the short scale basses simply plop down in a band mix just perfectly. A good Precision Bass will also sit perfectly in a band situation, but for most other long scale basses, I usually had to extensively tweak the onboard EQ and/or the amp EQ to get a tone that worked right. With my short scales, it was pretty much always plug in and go.

Flatwounds: this took me longer to accept, but once I got my first set of TI Jazz Flats, I realized I loved the sound of flats, and the super bendy feel of the TI Jazz Flats was a revelation. Still, I used them on only one bass, and assumed I needed roundwounds for most gigs. It was only after 4 different bands said they preferred the bass with the flats did I finally have my epiphany: great flats simply sound better in most band situations and most duos as well. Unless you’re going for that Chris Squire/Geddy Lee trebly snap sound, flats are going to give you a stronger fundamental and sound bigger at the same volume level in a band setting.

Pick: when I play bass by myself, I much prefer the sound of my fingers. In a band, I can no longer deny that playing with a pick makes the note easier to hear. Something about that attack and midrange emphasis really pushes the fundamental of the note to the forefront, which is especially important when playing parts with strong melodies, countermelodies, or unusual harmonic notes. Even my bandmates who instinctively say they prefer bass played with fingers have told me to play with a pick most of the time. Of course, combined with a short scale and flatwounds, the pick doesn’t produce too much treble.

I hope these insights can assist some of you who may be struggling with bass orthodoxy to find what works best for you. Obviously, these choices aren’t going to work for everybody, and probably not even for most bassists, but they sure will work for quite a few. Feel free to experiment, and don’t let ideas of what you’re supposed to do get in the way of what sounds best for you.
I wholeheartedly agree with alll the above, with one caveat- don’t sleep on the GHS Balanced Nickles for a change of pace. Nice definition without much grindiness!
 
I’ve been playing bass for 42 years, and while I’m no longer a gigging professional musician, I do still gig out regularly. And pretty every time I do play, I do it on a short scale bass strung with flatwounds and played with a pick.

Yeah, I know, kind of a triple heresy for most modern bassists, but hear me out on my reasons why. These have developed over many years of playing in lots of different bands, in varied styles. But first, a few caveats: I don’t slap or pop much, I haven’t played in a really heavy rock band in years, and I rarely play with distortion. If any of those three exceptions are where you live on bass, this probably won’t be too applicable to you.

Short scale: there is something truly magical about a good short scale bass – strong fundamental, slightly diminished harmonic content, and a lovely bendy feel that makes for easier note shaping. Mostly though, in my many years of experience, the short scale basses simply plop down in a band mix just perfectly. A good Precision Bass will also sit perfectly in a band situation, but for most other long scale basses, I usually had to extensively tweak the onboard EQ and/or the amp EQ to get a tone that worked right. With my short scales, it was pretty much always plug in and go.

Flatwounds: this took me longer to accept, but once I got my first set of TI Jazz Flats, I realized I loved the sound of flats, and the super bendy feel of the TI Jazz Flats was a revelation. Still, I used them on only one bass, and assumed I needed roundwounds for most gigs. It was only after 4 different bands said they preferred the bass with the flats did I finally have my epiphany: great flats simply sound better in most band situations and most duos as well. Unless you’re going for that Chris Squire/Geddy Lee trebly snap sound, flats are going to give you a stronger fundamental and sound bigger at the same volume level in a band setting.

Pick: when I play bass by myself, I much prefer the sound of my fingers. In a band, I can no longer deny that playing with a pick makes the note easier to hear. Something about that attack and midrange emphasis really pushes the fundamental of the note to the forefront, which is especially important when playing parts with strong melodies, countermelodies, or unusual harmonic notes. Even my bandmates who instinctively say they prefer bass played with fingers have told me to play with a pick most of the time. Of course, combined with a short scale and flatwounds, the pick doesn’t produce too much treble.

I hope these insights can assist some of you who may be struggling with bass orthodoxy to find what works best for you. Obviously, these choices aren’t going to work for everybody, and probably not even for most bassists, but they sure will work for quite a few. Feel free to experiment, and don’t let ideas of what you’re supposed to do get in the way of what sounds best for you.
Well...
You're preachin' to the choir, Brother. I've been playing bass, off and on, for 56 years, now. I learned to play on a friend's left handed '68 Rick 4001 - with it's factory Maxima Flats. The instructor was big on finger picking, but... my friend and I sort of learned plectrum picking on our own. I've played basses with flats probably 95% of the time, since - and, usually with a pick. None of the 30 basses I currently own have rounds on them. 4 of them wear tapes (including my main violin bass); all the rest wear flats...
I only have one bass that gets finger-picked all the time; my '95 Alembic Epic - strung with TI Jazz Flats - that I use in my attempts to play Jazz. And, I don't use a pick on it, because 1) I don't think I should, for Jazz; and 2) I'm so used to playing stiff flats with a pick, that the TIJF's require more technique adjustment than I want to bother with. All my other long scale basses get played with a pick about 90% of the time. My 11 short scale basses, OTOH, always get played with a pick. To my ears, a short scale bass with flats just sounds... inarticulate and muddy, if I use my fingers. Well, except for the 32" scale Canadian Fury Fretless Bass, which was built to wear rounds - and sound as much like an upright bass as possible. Which it does; especially if I pluck it's strings like an upright... Otherwise? My short scale basses get played with a pick. I like the hard felt picks, and the hard rubber mandolin ones the best. Regular picks on a shorty with flats? To my ears, too brittle - bordering on Twangy"...:cool:
 
I don't play with a pick, but every bass I own or have owned for the last five years is short scale with flats. One of them still has the broken in flats it came with when I bought is second hand, and the guy at the store was all "mustang with flats? terrible" I kept my mouth shut because my opinion is only as valuable as his, but that's the first and only time I remember anyone voicing that opinion. I agree with everything in the original post, and came to know it from putting flats on my first mustang and (once they broke in) being the happiest guy playing bass that I know. Fantastic sound. Most of the live gigs I've played have in the last five years have been short scale flats, passive bass into a passive DI, no eq, sound guy does what he wants with it. It's been the exact opposite of terrible.
 
Scale - check
Flats - check with reservations, I still keep rounds on one for when i need to snap
Pick you say ? Well, You do You...

In my folk rock thing of the last 15 years I play fairly melodically and I have no issues with note definition of cut through with my fingers. To me it is more a matter of how my EQ and compressor are set and where on the bass I actually pick. My major tone control is my picking hand placement.

For those of you who are not folk rockers - it is amazing how much you can get away with in that idiom
:)

The only time i use a pick is when i want that hammond percussion like click going on. Not often but when i do, i know how to get it. If I were to cover say Whipping Post, not sure if Berry was using a pick or not but I sure would. Back in my prog rock days 50 years back, I used a pick on Rush and Yes tunes. Not sure that wither Geddy or Chris did. I needed one to approximate what they were doing and the sound they were getting.

So as I have said before...

Your fingers are a tool
Your thumb is a tool
A pick is a tool
If you slap too much, you are a tool

(I really need to work that into a Haiku...)
 
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Adding a small block of foam or sponge at the bridge can be a nice addition to a short scale with flats. This works especially well in rooms with hard surfaces like cinder block walls or metal ceilings. I always keep a couple of different foam blocks in my case just in case.
 
This thread is speaking to me. I've been a 100% fingers player up until recently. I'm using a pick more and more lately and really enjoying expanding my tonal palette with it.

And I'm in the process of putting together a short scale (30" conversion neck) with a Novak H22 and it will have flats, just deciding on which ones. I have LaBella LTF 760FLs on my P which I love, but looking for something a little different. Front runners are LaBella Low Tension Flats, Rotosound Jazz 77s or TIJF — any comments or suggestions on those or other options? (I currently have TIJF on a 32" Jaguar that I dig)
 
This certainly is a timely post , as I just restrung my daughter in laws SBMM SSStingray with LaBella low tension flats. I tested it with a pick right after and , yea, ol’ school nirvana. If i didnt have 8 basses, I’d be lookin into borrowin’ that for a few gigs. I have a pop trio gig (Piano/Bass/Vocalist)I think would really benefit from it.