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Should I keep hunting for the ideal bass, or settle?

More power to all y'all who love to buy and sell instruments, but that's not my way. I want my basses to be My Basses. I want to bond with a minimal number of them, and look back in a few decades and smile at the memories I've made with them. Right now I have a couple 'experimenting' super cheap basses, and one Dean that is firmly in the family. I want to compliment it with a similar bass with a Precision sound, but that's not as easy as I'd hoped.

A 5 string, 24 fret P bass does not seem to exist. The frets I can compromise on, though I don't want to. 5 strings is a must. The original plan was to go opposite the active, 3 band, double humbucker, visually dark Dean, by getting a passive, volume-tone-output, single split-coil pickup, visually bright, pickguarded something. I have searched high and low, and I simply do not believe such a bass exists, nor can it be created affordably.

So do I compromise? There are P/Js out the wazoo. I could build a Warmoth with my ideal pickup but not have a pickguard, which [not having one] isn't the look I dig on a P-style body. Kiesel would nail the visuals but have too few frets and too many dollars. Maruszczcyk is a contender, but an expensive one and frankly the last thing I ordered from Europe took seven months to get here and that makes me nervous. An MIA P5 would be thrilling but be all wrong in the fretboard and string spacing. I've even considered buying a twin Dean and seeing if a router and enough toothpicks/woodglue/sandpaper/refinish can turn it into what I want - that's probably my worst idea, but it still intrigues me given that the bass just feels. so. good.

For perfection, an outright custom order from whatever luthier would be way out of my price range. For compromise, there are a lot of "good" options that I'm sure I'd be happy with. But... it'd still be settling. But I think it may be time to admit that settling is inevitable. But if I'm settling, what's the point anyway? But if I don't settle, then it never happens.

I dunno. Any advice or experiences?
 
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In this day and age, "if you want it, you can get it".

I had a bit of trouble reading and understanding your thread. Sounds like you want some kind of 24 fret 5 String. Pickguard, no pickguard?

Try a used Carvin 5er. Great prices. Many variations to be found.

I typed "Carvin 5 String Bass" into Google and here is the page. Look over the photos.

My son found this used custom Carvin 35.25 scale on eBay for $600. It's the best sounding 5er I've ever played or heard!

carvin 5 string bass - بحث Google

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I had a bit of trouble reading and understanding your thread. Sounds like you want some kind of 24 fret 5 String. Pickguard, no pickguard?

Sorry, I went through several drafts of this because it kept getting too long, eventually decided the full specs weren't actually relevant to the "settle vs keep hunting" question. But hey, for discussion's sake, why not!
If I got a luthier to make exactly what I want:
5 strings
24 frets
Split coil in the sweet spot, nothing else. Nordstrand NP5V, or maybe a SD Quarter Pound.
Passive, with volume knob, tone knob.
Output jack on the front.
Visually bright finish, matching headstock.
White pearloid pickguard.
Narrow nut and string spacing
34" scale
Neckthru would be great for upper fret access, but I can live without it.
Pearloid block inlays on a wenge board would be ideal, but I wouldn't want anybody to think I'm getting picky :roflmao:

P.S. Very nice Carvin!
 
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Those are some very specific requirements.

It's funny, I didn't think I was asking for much until I considered that list of requirements recently. This all started as "For heck's sake, all I want is a P bass with 5 strings and 24 frets, why doesn't that exist?"

I reckon at some point I figured, as long as I'm looking for something I can't have, I may just as well dream big. *shrug* I'll take a look at that builder, thanks.
 
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What if you got a PJ, then added a veneer covering the J pickup and letting you use the minimal control setup you want.

I added veneer to this Tobias Toby Deluxe. I used 1/16" thick material, and even though I didn't, I could have changed the pickups to whatever I wanted.

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You could make a pickguard if you really want one.
 
I added veneer to this Tobias Toby Deluxe. I used 1/16" thick material,

Huh! I'd considered just screwing a pickguard onto a rear-routed body, but I'd read about difficulties getting pots to fit even normal arrangements, because of their shafts being too short to reach through. Figured adding more thickness might force some surgeries I wasn't ready to perform. But this encourages me! Did you have to do anything crazy to make it work, or was it pretty straightforward?
 
Huh! I'd considered just screwing a pickguard onto a rear-routed body, but I'd read about difficulties getting pots to fit even normal arrangements, because of their shafts being too short to reach through. Figured adding more thickness might force some surgeries I wasn't ready to perform. But this encourages me! Did you have to do anything crazy to make it work, or was it pretty straightforward?
I stripped the original poly finish, and specifically picked a flat-top bass to do this to, but otherwise it was just titebond and clamps. Here's before and after:

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I posted a thread about it:

Special Edition Build Off - Toby Deluxe V facelift
 
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More power to all y'all who love to buy and sell instruments, but that's not my way. I want my basses to be My Basses. I want to bond with a minimal number of them, and look back in a few decades and smile at the memories I've made with them. Right now I have a couple 'experimenting' super cheap basses, and one Dean that is firmly in the family. I want to compliment it with a similar bass with a Precision sound, but that's not as easy as I'd hoped.

A 5 string, 24 fret P bass does not seem to exist. The frets I can compromise on, though I don't want to. 5 strings is a must. The original plan was to go opposite the active, 3 band, double humbucker, visually dark Dean, by getting a passive, volume-tone-output, single split-coil pickup, visually bright, pickguarded something. I have searched high and low, and I simply do not believe such a bass exists, nor can it be created affordably.

So do I compromise? There are P/Js out the wazoo. I could build a Warmoth with my ideal pickup but not have a pickguard, which [not having one] isn't the look I dig on a P-style body. Kiesel would nail the visuals but have too few frets and too many dollars. Maruszczcyk is a contender, but an expensive one and frankly the last thing I ordered from Europe took seven months to get here and that makes me nervous. An MIA P5 would be thrilling but be all wrong in the fretboard and string spacing. I've even considered buying a twin Dean and seeing if a router and enough toothpicks/woodglue/sandpaper/refinish can turn it into what I want - that's probably my worst idea, but it still intrigues me given that the bass just feels. so. good.

For perfection, an outright custom order from whatever luthier would be way out of my price range. For compromise, there are a lot of "good" options that I'm sure I'd be happy with. But... it'd still be settling. But I think it may be time to admit that settling is inevitable. But if I'm settling, what's the point anyway? But if I don't settle, then it never happens.

I dunno. Any advice or experiences?
Tom Morello said that he used to drive himself crazy chasing tone. Then one day, he got sick of that process. He sat down, found a tone that he liked, and stuck with it.

I for one thing that an instrument is just a tool. I care far more about the experience than the object. Let's face it, it can be damaged or stolen at any time. Either the instrument does the job, or it doesn't.

In terms of sound, there is really no difference between a P, and a PJ with the neck pickup soloed. If you really don't believe that (which you should), then you can just get a PJ and disengage the bridge pickup.

Or, as noted, your other option is to get a custom bass. I'm not an expert on that process, but it looks like you can order a 5-string "Jake" from Maruszczyk, with P pickups, that matches most of your requirements, and should be affordable and built faster than a fully custom bass.
 
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Tom Morello said that he used to drive himself crazy chasing tone. Then one day, he got sick of that process. He sat down, found a tone that he liked, and stuck with it.

I for one thing that an instrument is just a tool. I care far more about the experience than the object. Let's face it, it can be damaged or stolen at any time. Either the instrument does the job, or it doesn't.

That first part (inspired by some Five Watt World videos) is the sort of thinking that got me wanting a P bass in the first place. Having a bass where I can just think, "Okay, tone: do I want it up, or do I want it down?" sounds so refreshing and would make everything so quick and simple. But trying to find the freaking instrument has been such a drain that it makes it hard to remember the second part you wrote! Especially considering I'm about to have my first kid, I can't help thinking I should get something that I wouldn't mind seeing get knocked over on the floor, and wait fifteen or twenty years before getting any perfect 'nice' things.

And I do concur about P/Js, for the record :thumbsup: I just figure it'll gnaw at me knowing there are more tonal options and maybe I should try them, so I'd prefer to just not have 'em. Heck, maybe I'll just pull out the bridge pickup and extra knobs, and have a bass that looks a little... rustic.
 
I suppose I can clarify a bit more after having posted and thought about this all day. If those doggone Squier Precision V basses were still available, I'd just snag one and deal with the shortcomings and love it. But there's literally no 5-string p-style bass currently on the market except the actual MIA Precision V, which costs five and a half times as much as that Squier did. Other options are also costly enough that I'm left looking at something 'okay' at the upper-midrange of my price range [which is aggravating], or what I really want which would all be way beyond my price range [which is tough to commit to].

I think that's a helpful and accurate way of clarifying the issue?
 
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I know this doesn't fit your requirements but this is what comes to mind when I think of passive fiver with a P like body and a pickguard. G&L Kiloton 5

I've gone back to look at G&Ls many times! But I always end up at the L-2500, and the simplicity-seeking part of me runs away in a panic :laugh: If they just made a 5 string LB-100, that'd be close enough and this'd be a done deal.
 
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Something a little more off the shelf would be an LTD B or D series with some Bartolini original splits wired passive.

Holy mackerel, that's clever! It took me a minute to figure out what you meant, I forgot Bartolini has soapbar-shaped splits. For all the times I've bemoaned how much easier this would be if I were searching for a 24 fret 5 string with humbuckers, this could open up a lot of doors if I find a Bart that speaks to me. Time to watch some youtube tone demos!

So far, this thread has me leaning towards either a beater or a Maruszczyk. I think that's pretty funny. [I'm also impressed how many of you can spell that name; I triple-checked it for the OP and still got it wrong :meh:]
 
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