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Should I play bass?

I'm willing to be wrong here, but I feel like it's real easy for me to pick out a bass player who started as a guitarist. Hard to describe, but the playing style, patterns, and fills always sound more "top down" that what I associate with bass ("bottom up": a foundation for the rest of the musicians).

If you're going to try this, start by playing the "notes" of the drums, or at least recognizing them. If this seems odd or makes no sense to you, you might find you have trouble as a bass player. You'll need to lock in with the drummer more than anyone else in the band. From there, you can lead the other players to interesting places, but you've got to hold the groove, and that means working as a big part of the rhythm section.
 
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I'm willing to be wrong here, but I feel like it's real easy for me to pick out a bass player who started as a guitarist. Hard to describe, but the playing style, patterns, and fills always sound more "top down" that what I associate with bass ("bottom up": a foundation for the rest of the musicians).

If you're going to try this, start by playing the "notes" of the drums, or at least recognizing them. If this seems odd or makes no sense to you, you might find you have trouble as a bass player. You'll need to lock in with the drummer more than anyone else in the band. From there, you can lead the other players to interesting places, but you've got to hold the groove, and that means working as a big part of the rhythm section.

Great advice, thanks! Your top down vs.bottom up comment makes a lot of sense. Because it seems like a lot of guitar players are reaching for something higher while the bass often is coming down to resolve on the root note. Interesting!
 
Bass is mostly a combination of rhythm and counter melody. If you play bass like you play your guitar, you will be another one of those "guitarist switched to bass" wanna-bes.
Bass can be as simple or as difficult as you want it to be. Many times, the simple parts are the most popular with the audience (unless they are bass players).
Most of the time, you are not the star or center of attraction unless you also sing. That may be difficult if you played mostly lead where you are the center of attraction on every song. Part of the challenge of soloing on bass is maintaining a bottom while soloing. A keyboard player can also help with that. You and the drummer are one unit.
Good luck with your adventure.
You may also want to sign up with No Treble. They have a daily email which gives tips and suggestions. http://www.notreble.com/
 
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I started playing guitar at 13 & really enjoyed it - I played a little bass along the way but never really focused on it. Now I am (nearly) 33 and have been rekindling my love for bass - I'm enjoying it much much more than I ever did on guitar, and I must say, I now consider myself a bass player who knows how to play guitar lol. Hope that if you do peruse bass, that you enjoy it the way I have! If not, then at least you now know! Good luck!

Small word of advice, don't pick up a $100 piece of garbage & base your decision on that alone...
 
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Guitar players get a lot of flak here on good old TB but I don't know many people who would want to be a in rock, blues, or country band without one.

And despite some opinions here, many bass players were once frustrated guitar players. The frustration comes from many directions. Some of us were in an area with too many guitarists and not enough bass players. Some of us couldn't really get the hang of the guitar. Some of us just plain sucked on guitar but wanted to play in and band. And some of us were called to the bass from the cradle.

Play the bass. If you feel the groove you will be busy. If you don't, there is always the guitar.
 
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we all have our bias. reading your post (op) I would say that no matter what instruments you decide to stick with, some things in your post seem to elude a bit of ego or arrogance. Im not sayin you feel that, just how it might come across. I picked up bass because I liked how it felt to play, it reminded me and still does of the sound and percussive aspect of a playing a real piano. The way you can feel the hammers strike the strings and that tone you get out of the bass end of a piano (piano was my first instrument).

Thing Im getting at is that it was an internal feel thing, not because I thought people around me sucked or there were too many inferior bassists etc, nor would I ever even come close to that. I struggled for every note ive played technically and I practiced until my fingers bled on a routine basis. I try to be professional and mellow, I valued people who I play music with, no matter what their level is and learn as much as I can. As a musician, being humble and easy to work with goes much further than trying to be the most badass player.

If you want to play bass, take lessons, learn it as its own instrument. If not, your just another guitarist playing bass
 
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And despite some opinions here, many bass players were once frustrated guitar players. The frustration comes from many directions. Some of us were in an area with too many guitarists and not enough bass players. Some of us couldn't really get the hang of the guitar. Some of us just plain sucked on guitar but wanted to play in and band. And some of us were called to the bass from the cradle.

Yes, I started out as a frustrated guitar player. Finally gave up on it. And in fact before guitar I actually started with piano lessons. Studied for years and still suck on keys. In fact nobody has EVER paid money to hear me play keys! But the musical knowledge you get studying piano is immense. Treble clef, bass clef, melody, harmony, rhythm, strings, percussion! its ALL in there and I'll get to why that is important.

But that was then and this is now. Yes it was true I went from failed guitar player to the joke where the kid blows off bass lessons because he has a gig! Yes there IS demand. And the fact I learned drums too didn't hurt!

But today I play bass, I play drums, I play guitar, I sing, I dance, I play my banjo, I play my blues harp, I write songs, and have a ball with it all!

So I hope I can give just a bit of advice. And the advice is this: Each instrument is different. And the important thing is that you have the given instrument in it's proper role. Just like I tell dancers: it doesn't matter what STEPS you do, just as long as every step has the right FEEL! So the role of a guitarist is related to harmony and melody for sure, but the key is the guitarist is there to grab and hold the AUDIENCE. So it tends to be about force of personality, about looks, about showing off, about getting attention, about melody. It's the JOB a guitarist does! (not talking about rhythm guitar which is sort of a hybrid half way between lead guitar and bass)

But the bass on the other hand is there to grab and hold the BAND. Bass is about harmony and rhythm. so the bass is closely related to the drums and there must be a meeting of the minds there, but it's also about harmony and the bass is a extremely powerful instrument that literally can make the guitar player do what you want him to do without him even knowing you are doing it! As others have already noted, this much power means it takes some skill to use it wisely. It takes significant music knowledge. And not just harmony either. The bass can make the dancers do whatever he/she wants as well. If the bass stops playing the music falls apart!

But control of the band isn't a show thing. That isn't the bass players job (unless they are singing and playing bass in which case because you are a vocalist you will have the job of grabbing the audience). But generally a bass player acts quietly in the background making things happen all over the band and leaves the leather pants to guitar players. It's very similar to drummers only they have a bit less control over the band than bass (more over dancers though).

The bottom line is that if you want to play bass, you have to develop a bass player's mentality. You make a little compartment in your head and you label it "this is what I do when I play bass" And you put all the things that make for a great bass player in there. things that make for a great guitar player go into a different compartment. It's almost like you are two completely different personalities. But that's is just part of instruments being different.

That's how I see it.
 
Here's my experience being the bassist in a trio (two guitarists and me). We have no regular drummer, so it's all me.

1. Gigs--I fill out the sound.
2. Gigs--I get the feet tapping and hips shaking.
3. Gigs--I have to bring the picker and strummer home to each song's rehearsed rhythm.
4. Rehearsal--I have to play louder so the guitarists remember we're a trio.
5. Rehearsal--I will be asked to play a particular riff even though the riff I'm asked to play is the one I just played in that part of the song and play every time we rehearse.
6. General--I started out on guitar but am not as great as my guitarist friends. Be ready to really earn your spot when you join another guitar-oriented band.
7. General--I earned my spot by writing songs with definitive groove. I have to keep earning it.

For years, I would pick leads on guitar when performing at open jams, parties, campouts---down home stuff. There's none of that indulgence and limelighting when another is the band's lead guitarist. I'd sometimes drop jazzy rhythms on guitar when another was playing lead. There's none of that, either. My role, as will be yours, is to capitalize on the bass' voice and potential. It's a different beast. It's a different role. You will have a different position-- in the beginning that position will be outside the limelight.
 
I don't hold bass guitar as some sacred thing. It is just an instrument. Learn the techniques. Learn how to play with a band. Learn how it affects the music no matter what style. I played a clarinet before switching to guitar, doesn't mean I have a clarinetist mentality. I learned how to play guitar. Then I switched to bass, thus learning that. I approach any instrument as a musician... not a "bassist who was a guitarist" or a "guitarist who was a clarinetist." It's understanding the instrument and how it affects the music.

Whether I know how to tap, slap, pluck, pick, walk, play 8th note root notes, or syncopated rhythms locking in with the drummer, what matters is if I am adding to the music not detracting... and if my band and the audience likes it.

I think everyone should learn bass, just like I think everyone should try other instruments if they have the opportunity. It will make you a better musician overall if you are serious about learning everything you can about that instrument, or at least whatever is necessary for the music you enjoy playing.
 
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First and foremost you have to be a good musician to understand the similarities and differences between the instruments, and the role they both play in various genres. You don't play a tuba like a trumpet, do you?

That being said, there's this: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100929151521AApfMhE


Why do many or all bands have bass guitarists?

I can understand why some bands might need it, for example Brand New uses bass more than the actual guitar. But in other bands, why do they need it? I think alot of my favorite bands would be perfectly fine without a bassist, yet I can't seem to find a single band without one. Of course, there are songs that need bass, but I don't see the purpose it serves if I can barely hear it i.e. I can hear the bass line throughout parts of the song, but I don't think it's that crucial...

That is just sad.