I've changed my cheap rig a little. I got a Sunn Beta Bass 115combo (minus the amp). I cleaned it up and fabbed up some spacers out of some 2x4 chunks and vinyl so I could mount my amp in the old amp's location. I hung my crossover off the back with some angle brackets, then slapped one of my EV Sx300's on top. I'm putting 300 watts on the 15 and 200 on the 12/horn. The bass on the right is a Rogue LX205B that I converted to a fretless after I replaced it as my primary bass with the SX on the left.
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show off some cheap rigs of doom?
- Thread starter RobTheSkanker
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- Apr 3, 2003
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great, a thread about amps where bowlus is not going to win
Hmmm... this could make for an interesting challenge.
I have to admit, that rig is going to thunder.
I think a "rig of doom" is one that makes people go, is generally overkill, and makes some sort of wall at least 4 feet tall, and when the cabs are stacked on their sides, must be at least 32" wide. A rig of doom also must consist of multiple cabs, and have at least four drivers (not including tweeters or small midrange drivers).
So, two 8x10s is a rig of doom. Two 2x15s is a rig of doom. Two 2x10+18s (Peavey 1820) make a rig of doom. Two 4x10s is not a rig of doom. Two 4x12s are a rig of doom, whether they're square 4x12s, or staggered (aka GS412). 2x10s along with any other single cab do not make a rig of doom. In order for 2x10s to be part of a rig of doom, they must be accompanied by much larger cabs as well. Same goes for 1x12s. Nobody is going to go
Wattage isn't that big of an issue. Technically, my rig is just a pair of 100 watt heads, but it's probably one of the louder rigs on here, due to cabinet efficiency. Remember, wattage does not always equal volume (a prime example is the Ampeg SVT-4Pro).
I think I summed it up well enough. Maybe this should go in the FAQ?
Well, in that case my rig WON'T qualify as a CHEAP RIG OF DOOM (insert Maniacle Laughter Here).....
Telex Wireless... $75 (used)
6 space ATA rack... $100 (new)
Furman PL+... $60 (new)
Sansamp RPM... $220 (new)
Mackie FR1400... $300 (new)
Genz Benz 610T-XB2 $275 (used)
= $1030 over 5 years. I bought the RPM, 1400 and the Genz in the past year. The other stuff was from an "old" rig.
Now, I don't know how to price this out as I have sold a bunch of old stuff on Ebay to finance my habit. So... I'll just put the purchase price of each item.
Angle of doom!
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Was definitely cheap though... $200 for 300w --> 15" of BW.
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Was definitely cheap though... $200 for 300w --> 15" of BW.
I'll have to take a picture once I get to my storage unit.
I snagged a Traynor TS-120B and Traynor 215 cab for $180 off of craigslist. I had to drive 80 miles round trip to get it so add another $20 on there.
I got an Eden D 410T a few years ago for $230. I've since sold it.
My current rig wasn't cheap. I got deals, but the pieces of gear weren't what I'd call cheap. Just mid-range priced gear.
Peace
-Benny
I snagged a Traynor TS-120B and Traynor 215 cab for $180 off of craigslist. I had to drive 80 miles round trip to get it so add another $20 on there.
I got an Eden D 410T a few years ago for $230. I've since sold it.
My current rig wasn't cheap. I got deals, but the pieces of gear weren't what I'd call cheap. Just mid-range priced gear.
Peace
-Benny
- Jun 19, 2004
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"Avatar 212neo"
"2x12 Eminence Kappa Pro cab"
"DIY 12" neo cab"
"used 2x15"
Okay guys, these rigs may work for your needs, but IMO, they are not Rigs of Doom. A Rig of Doom has to be at least a full-stack (if not two or more), doesn't it? A single cab with 4 speakers *might* qualify as a mini-R.O.D. in my book, but a 2x12 or 2x15 (let alone a single 12!) is just a small rig.
Can we have some kind of definition for Rig of Doom? Say, a minimum of 1200 watts RMS and a minimum of 6 drivers? And a mini-Rig of Doom @ a minimum of 800 watts and 4 speakers? Nothing against small rigs, but there's nothing doom-ish about a single 2x12! A "Rig of Doom" is supposed to make the soundguy go, "Oh, ****!" when he sees is, not "Is that a stage monitor? We have wedges already set up for you."
In my opinion, a cheap Rig of Doom might be a Carvin R1000, 4x10, and 1x18 (my old rig).
(Not my rig, but the same amp/cabs.) There is nothing wrong with inexpensive, small rigs, but to qualify as a Rig of Doom, you should at least have trouble moving it by yourself without casters!
(FWIW, I play a 2x12 + 1x10 in one box, which I would not even say qualifies as a mini-Rig of Doom, since it's only 3 drivers and all in one cabinet, despite pushing 1000 watts RMS).
"2x12 Eminence Kappa Pro cab"
"DIY 12" neo cab"
"used 2x15"
Okay guys, these rigs may work for your needs, but IMO, they are not Rigs of Doom. A Rig of Doom has to be at least a full-stack (if not two or more), doesn't it? A single cab with 4 speakers *might* qualify as a mini-R.O.D. in my book, but a 2x12 or 2x15 (let alone a single 12!) is just a small rig.
Can we have some kind of definition for Rig of Doom? Say, a minimum of 1200 watts RMS and a minimum of 6 drivers? And a mini-Rig of Doom @ a minimum of 800 watts and 4 speakers? Nothing against small rigs, but there's nothing doom-ish about a single 2x12! A "Rig of Doom" is supposed to make the soundguy go, "Oh, ****!" when he sees is, not "Is that a stage monitor? We have wedges already set up for you."
In my opinion, a cheap Rig of Doom might be a Carvin R1000, 4x10, and 1x18 (my old rig).
(Not my rig, but the same amp/cabs.) There is nothing wrong with inexpensive, small rigs, but to qualify as a Rig of Doom, you should at least have trouble moving it by yourself without casters!
(FWIW, I play a 2x12 + 1x10 in one box, which I would not even say qualifies as a mini-Rig of Doom, since it's only 3 drivers and all in one cabinet, despite pushing 1000 watts RMS).
I really don't think a hard and fast rule on wattage will work when we are talking DOOM. Speaker area and efficiency and the relative loudness/doom level of an amplifier bring the doom more than a wattage rating on a power amp IME. My 300 watt tube head can dish the same doom as a 1000 watt SS power amp, and it can do it at 2 ohms, allowing me to run more cabs for that extra special apocalypse.
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Okay, yeah, if we are talking tube vs. ss, I can see that. But I think we should at least agree that a R.O.D. has to make a soundguy think, "Damn it, one of *those* bands..."
My Ashdown Electric Blue 180-15 (Used, $225) and my Mag 210-t Deep 2x10 extension cab (B stock from American Music $175) for a total rig-o-doom (wasn't that a movie?) price of $400. I use the 180 at church all the time, but have not played the 210 anywhere but home so far...
Oh, the Groovy Grape CD player is my kids', so it don't count...
Oh, the Groovy Grape CD player is my kids', so it don't count...
peavey mark IV head ($300 with etone cab)
15" etone cab ($300 with head)
seymore duncan 4x8" cab ($200)
$250 for the power amp
$279 for the 4x10
$200 for the POD
The rest was freebies I had laying around. The 6x10 was homebrew from replacement speakers I came across over the last few years.
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For as little effort as I put into the 6x10, it actually sounds great.
$279 for the 4x10
$200 for the POD
The rest was freebies I had laying around. The 6x10 was homebrew from replacement speakers I came across over the last few years.
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For as little effort as I put into the 6x10, it actually sounds great.
Fender Bassman 1x15 cab, used - $75
Ampeg VT-22 - already had it from when I played guitar
Ampeg VT-22 - already had it from when I played guitar
I bets thats a sweet rig right there.
I'll post my pick of my cheap mini rig of doom tomorow. Its my practice room rig. A Behringer bx4500 head ($150) and a Peavey 115 cab ($65) Actually not bad for $215 total.
This is my cheap rig of doom...
500 watts into two (29 lb each) 115 cabs. Super loud, clean and I use it regularly as my main rig for every gig, even outdoor shows. The whole rig only weighs 70 lbs. total and cost me about $600 (including the Zoom B2 pedal). $239 for the Ashdown Superfly head and $275 for the cabs (both). So, really the rig itself was $514 (or close to that). All of it is brand new, nothing used, although I made my own 115 cabs.
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500 watts into two (29 lb each) 115 cabs. Super loud, clean and I use it regularly as my main rig for every gig, even outdoor shows. The whole rig only weighs 70 lbs. total and cost me about $600 (including the Zoom B2 pedal). $239 for the Ashdown Superfly head and $275 for the cabs (both). So, really the rig itself was $514 (or close to that). All of it is brand new, nothing used, although I made my own 115 cabs.
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No photos yet, but I put together a Phil Jones Bass Buddy with a Crown UT-2020 driving a Peavey 1x15 loaded with a JBL speaker. I just added a 1x18 folded Sunn design cab with a Cerwin-Vega, but haven't had the chance to run it.
Total cost is about $700 for all of it.
Total cost is about $700 for all of it.
