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Sigh. Drummer trouble.

There's a good rule of thumb which states that if you're going to fire someone from the band, then you should do it in person, and not over email or text message.

In this situation, the drummer knows that it is coming, and is trying to avoid it. Maybe firing him via email or text might be the best course of action? You've done your best to be reasonable, but there comes a point at which you've got to send him the message in a way that he can't avoid.

S.P.
 
There's a good rule of thumb which states that if you're going to fire someone from the band, then you should do it in person, and not over email or text message.

In this situation, the drummer knows that it is coming, and is trying to avoid it. Maybe firing him via email or text might be the best course of action? You've done your best to be reasonable, but there comes a point at which you've got to send him the message in a way that he can't avoid.

S.P.

He's a Luddite when it comes to computers. Doesn't use 'em. No e-mail. No texting. Doesn't even have cable tv. And lives clear out in B.F.E. I'm surprised he has a phone...when he's got one. Right now, one must call and leave a message for Guitar's cousin, who will go get Drummer whenever he eventually gets that message. Can't get much more country than that.

Maybe I should fire up the barbeque pit and see if I can send a smoke signal, visible in the next county so he can see it, that will read "Dude! You are the weakest link! Goodbye!" :ninja: :D :hiding:

We'll be meeting next week, if not the weekend. I hope its the weekend. I want this done.

Cherie
 
Perfect attitude. I wish I was better at carrying it.

Ultimatums, and whatnot, tend to interfere with this. I have a lot of respect for folks who can just shut up and put up, and still make things happen. Perhaps because I, personally, recognize a lack of that ability in myself.

Took me a long time to learn enough lessons to get that attitude, that's for sure. Hard lessons.

Ultimatums...They almost always backfire alllllll over me. Messy. I'm just going to say what I think, at our upcoming meeting, and let the chips fall.

Cherie :)
 
Sounds like Drummer knows what's coming, and is putting it off as long as possible. And your idea of being VERY direct with him neatly dovetails into the idea that if you make him upset and he "quits", you've saved Guitarist from having to have The Conversation, and you can move on. Go right ahead and make your musical demands on him as much as you want - friendly-like, but CLEAR, as in "I-won't-take-no-for-an-answer" clear. What's the worst that can happen? He quits?

Best of luck to you in this "drama-that-should-never-have-been". :)

Yep. I figure, he'll either fish or cut bait. But, if we're lucky, we won't have to worry about it past Tuesday. ;)

Thanks for the good wishes!

Cherie :)
 
I read all 9 pages of this thread last Sunday.
I'm ready for the next chapter.



(Sorry, I'm really not making light of your predicament--I think most of us have been in a similar situation and can relate to it).
 
I am primarily a drummer, but am learning bass. Although I live near you, not that I'm being offered, but I wouldn't take the gig because there is some bad communication going on. You and the guitard bad mouthing the drummer when he is not in the convo. I just stumbled onto this thread today, but here are a few thoughts:

You live in Austin. There are tons of drummers in Austin. Many are gig ho's. No problem finding a drummer in Austin, but have you considered that they might have the same problem with you and the guitarist that ya'll are having with the drummer?

If you need a demo quick, but the drummer does good live, do what bands have done for decades and substitute for him in the studio. You'll have to pay $$ for a good drummer for this, but again, Austin is full of good drummers. Put an ad up at Tommy's Drum Shop. Or call Frosty Smith, the master drummer. He's been recording since likely before you were born. But no self-respecting drummer is going to do your demo for free.

I used to do alot of sub work for both gigs and recordings. Recording drums is something you don't learn the first trip to the studio. It takes time to learn how it works.

I say, give the guy a break if he is pulling his weight live. Doesn't sound like he has alot good going on in life but for the band. Get someone else in to do the demo, and then tell the drummer what you want on originals. Trust me, as a drummer there is nothing so random and difficult as being told by the band they don't like what you are doing with originals, but then the band doesn't give clear direction as to what they do want.

If the guitard doesn't wanna fire his friend, offer him this suggestion. Start a new band with guitard and a different drummer. Keep the old one going, just no rehearsals or gigs. You can maybe fit the old one in every now and then when your new and more improved drummer isn't available. No hurt feelings but your band keeps progressing.

Nothing to me is as funny as people in a bar band in Texas who make maybe $30-$40 a gig doing covers talking about "getting serious" and "making it". Cover bands, at least in Austin, come and go faster than Imelda Marcos used to change shoes. Until you're playing at Antone's, lighten up a little bit.

One caveat about changing drummers in Austin. Drummers in Austin wanna work, not be in a rehearsal band. If your band is not working enough, because of all the other bands you've got going, your new drummer will find someone else to play and make money with. He might still be available for you, but he will put priority into the bands that are actually "working" (and not for $30-$40 a night) and you will quickly become the band he plays with if nothing else is going on.

I've been playing in and around Austin and other Texas cities since the late 70's. I'm no Buddy Rich, just a normal blues drummer. I think I've been kicked out of one band (a jazz not blues band) in all those years. Communication is the key.

My final remark is about friends. Some of my best friends are folks I played in bands with over the years. Our musical relationships ended but friendship continued. And I value many of those friendships much more than the music we once played.

You know, you picked this guy despite his lack of modern communication devices. And remember, your new drummer may view you in the light that you view your drummer.
 
All nice ideas, Greg, but you didn't see the YouTube footage of the band live. Trust me, it was awful. Really, painfully, hideously awful. And is the reason why Cherie took it down. And is looking for a drummer.
Cherie, I will at this time point out the obvious-which is that you could always quit and go elsewhere.
+1 to the gun comment though.
 
If the guitard doesn't wanna fire his friend, offer him this suggestion. Start a new band with guitard and a different drummer. Keep the old one going, just no rehearsals or gigs. You can maybe fit the old one in every now and then when your new and more improved drummer isn't available. No hurt feelings but your band keeps progressing.

Uhhh, don't you think the drummer will see through this charade?
 
I say, give the guy a break if he is pulling his weight live. Doesn't sound like he has alot good going on in life but for the band. Get someone else in to do the demo, and then tell the drummer what you want on originals. Trust me, as a drummer there is nothing so random and difficult as being told by the band they don't like what you are doing with originals, but then the band doesn't give clear direction as to what they do want.

After seeing the videos and hearing Cherie's comments, my opinion is that this is a drummer who just doesn't get it. Plus he has an alcohol problem. And he doesn't take criticism well. It's time for a new drummer.
 
Just forget all of my above comments relating to what you should do with this guy. I didn't see the video clips of the band. In fact, for some reason, I didn't even see the whole thread, all I saw was one page of ten, which wasn't near enough.


Good luck!

I've got one video, an original, up on my MySpace at myspace.com/riostar1015. Its not very good, but a friend wanted to see it, so I've put it up for a day or two. Please feel free to check it out and let me know what you think.

Cherie :bassist:
 
Nice job holding it down through all that racket. :)Truly, I can understand your frustration with this fellow. He needs to tune his drums, too. Good luck with that.

Thanks. :)

Yeah, we've asked him to tune his drums. The studio engineer asked him to tune his drums. Guitarist sprung for a complete new set of heads, asking that they please be tuned.

Nope. Nuthin' doin'. No tuning.

Cherie
 
you need to loose that zero and get yourself a hero

Look, out in the yard!!!

Is it the pizza guy?

Is it a gypsy roofer?

NO!!! ITS...



SUPERDRUMMER!!!

Better metre than Buddy Miles...

Better tempo than Ginger Baker...

Able to lock in with their bassist in a single measure...

SUPERDRUMMER!!!

Cherie :bassist: :D ;)
 

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