looks good, but, from what I can see they are all 4 ohm cabs and most(?) some heads won't handle 2 of them..
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Small Guy; Light Cab +Big Sound
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I have been quite pleased with my 400 watts into a 1x12 cab. DI to house as needed.
My Band has 2 guitars and a loud drummer. No problems being heard.
Using an Avatar SB112 with the 3012LF speaker and the "improved" crossover, tweeter at about a quarter volume, or less.
My Band has 2 guitars and a loud drummer. No problems being heard.
Using an Avatar SB112 with the 3012LF speaker and the "improved" crossover, tweeter at about a quarter volume, or less.
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If you go with the Avatar cabs I would avoid the Faitals. From what I gather the "budget" cabs with the SWR golite speakers in them are going to be pretty comparable but with a lower price tag. I currently use a vertical stack of two "special" B210's paired with a GK MB500. If you want thunderous lows you might be a bit disappointed, but it's a solid 410 setup. Its clear, articulate, and well balanced across the range (at least for my purposes). They're not ultralight, but they're surprisingly easy to move around. If it proves to be that much of a hassle a collapsible hand cart can be had for around $30.
If you are after thundering lows the SB112 with a 3012LF in it is reminiscent of a fearful (note, not the SAME, just kinda like) and can put out some pretty serious low end. But, just like a Fearful, if you play with just the sub you'll be very disappointed. Need to have some mid driver action in there to cover the range. They're pretty light as well and not bad to move around.
If you are after thundering lows the SB112 with a 3012LF in it is reminiscent of a fearful (note, not the SAME, just kinda like) and can put out some pretty serious low end. But, just like a Fearful, if you play with just the sub you'll be very disappointed. Need to have some mid driver action in there to cover the range. They're pretty light as well and not bad to move around.
I was in your boat as well. I'm 5'6" and 115lbs. I was fortunate to find a local no name 2x12 cab with blown speakers for $50. I dropped a pair of Eminence DeltaLite IIs in there that I got from Avatar's speaker blowout sale (odd name given the idea of blowing out a speaker... but i digress). I also bought a couple ports to put in since the cab was sealed. It is unbelievable and the whole 2x12 weighs in around 55lbs. It whollops with my ABM-500 which is suprisingly light for a 500-watt non-class D amp.
If you can find a used cab that has good bones and are willing to dig up the information about what speakers will work in there, you can piece together some really good sounding stuff.
If you can find a used cab that has good bones and are willing to dig up the information about what speakers will work in there, you can piece together some really good sounding stuff.
What about the Ampeg 212av 2x12 that handles 600 watts at 4 ohms. I play my SVT amp through it and love it. Light weight so it's easy to move.
I second this idea. I don't know what they cost new, but I just picked up a used REVsound 2x10 for $300. 400 watt handling, and it's a beast with my Carvin BX500 (which will go down to 2Ohm). Dave is also super friendly - he saw (on here) that I picked up one of his cabs used, and approached me offering any assistance I may ever need with it. Good stuff.
I can't speak with certainty, but I'd bet that if you approached Dave he'd be able to make an 8Ohm cab.
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You might want to audition 2 Fender Rumble 210 cabs (8 ohms each). Price is good at $349.00, and weight is reasonable. I think spec says 40 something, but mine weigh in at 37 lbs.
The 212MBE were available in both 8 and 4 ohms. Mine happen to be 4 - because i bought the first one to get my little GK MB200 head as loud as possible. I bought the second when they were discontinuing the original model ($340 shipped) . Funny thing I bought the first for $330 shipped six months earlier, I think they were discontinuing the 4 ohm model first? I bought the second mostly to try out as subs - on a Behringer NU3000 they kick pretty good and haven't blown apart yet
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Dany - your answer is in your original post! Go with an SVT/810 full size rig and hire one of the local college kids to schlep it for you for 50% of your portion of the gig earnings. There's a lot of college guys that wouldn't mind being paid to go to a bar or concert hall to hear good music and knock back some suds. Your fans and band mates will love your sound, your roadie will have his weekend entertainment and socializing paid for and your back will thank you! Everybody wins!
This is the route I went, and I don't have a back issue, figuring in this case 28 pounds of prevention has to work out to like a 1/4 ton of cure...
size doesn't matter much when it comes to messing up one's back ... !! it is always very hard to lift properly when trying to get stuff out of a car ... !! you're forced to use your mid back muscles which we don't usually use for to much ... hard to ' use your legs ' ... as we can't bend them because they're stuck up against the car .. !! reaching forward and lifting heavy crap is tricky ... trying to keep your back arched back a bit and keeping your stomach tightened and proper breathing might help ... regardless of cab weight ... there are a few simple lower back exercises that will help also ... if done daily ( which is hard to do )
cabs ... I like the stacked 2x10 idea
cabs ... I like the stacked 2x10 idea
So wait, you're going to power a rig from the stage loud enough at the Echo or the Troubador to overcome your guitarist without going direct to FOH?
Personally, I wouldn't do it. I think you'll get lost in the mix, or become so boomy that you'll lose all definition.
Nonetheless, in any event: I'd go with Bergantino CN series. You could do the CN 212 for under 50 pounds and blow away the guitarist. I use a single CN 112 on small stages, obviously going direct from FOH. Beauty of that rig is: 28 pound cabinet, 4 pound GB Shuttle 6.2, and a bass case. One trip. Donezo. I should add that while I'm a big dude at 6'1" and an athletic 215, I'm still old, in my mid 40s, and my joints don't love carrying gear around one bit any more.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. I think you'll get lost in the mix, or become so boomy that you'll lose all definition.
Nonetheless, in any event: I'd go with Bergantino CN series. You could do the CN 212 for under 50 pounds and blow away the guitarist. I use a single CN 112 on small stages, obviously going direct from FOH. Beauty of that rig is: 28 pound cabinet, 4 pound GB Shuttle 6.2, and a bass case. One trip. Donezo. I should add that while I'm a big dude at 6'1" and an athletic 215, I'm still old, in my mid 40s, and my joints don't love carrying gear around one bit any more.
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No, you misunderstood. SeaMonkey suggested that someone (me?) ought to pay to upgrade an FOH (or perhaps all of them) with subwoofers. Sure....
Of course, at capable venues, I have the SWR 410 mic'ed and use the DI from the Streamliner for better sound. But we also play smaller gigs (like Pehrspace tomorrow) and even house parties. If we tour this summer, a smaller cab will be imperative.
I want to spend $300-500 shipped, and ideally under 50 pounds. 2x10 4x8 2x12 are possible. I'm more interested in 8s and 10s, but I would consider 12s.
Bergantino is too expensive. LDS probably is also probably too expensive.
Ampeg 210AV is rated at 200 watts at 8 ohms, and I don't want to risk frying it with the 375 watts my amp pumps out (but the size is attractive).
RevSound (at 8 ohms) and Avatar sound like possible options.
But I'm also interested in the engineering of the cabs themselves, and I've read that only few manufacturers are expert in such cab design. Most importantly, I'm too stupid to know what's true and what's myth, because I'm not an expert myself.
I'll keep my answer generic and hopefully helpful. Get the number of drivers you want, but get them in multiple cabs. As in, if you want a 2x12, get 2 separate 112 cabs. Each cab will be lighter and you can carry just one at a time. I run two 210 cabs. I could get the same sound with a 410, but 410's weigh a ton (according to my back). So if you thing two 12's will cover your sound requirements, do it with two cabs instead a single 212 cab. Your back will thank you.
Also, consider 15's, they push more air than 12's (generally speaking).
Also, consider 15's, they push more air than 12's (generally speaking).
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I use a vertical stack of two GK Neo 112's all the time. Great rig. They weigh 29lbs each.
