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Smoking bans in US

#41
Joe Nerve said:
The problem is it's getting pushed on people in deceptive ways. People crave sugar because they're addicted to it. They're addicted to it because it's added to 90% of the food Americans eat. The politics behind all that are really depressing, and something I can't get into typing this out on my cell while at work. And I'm supposed to at least look like I'm really doing something :).

Being fat and/or loosing your feet to diabetes wouldn't be as much your fault as you might believe. We're all swimming upstream in a powerful river when it comes to nutrition and health.
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It is because people are lazy.
It really isn't that hard to have a healthy diet that isn't full of sugar or bad fat.
 
#42
Joe Nerve said:
The problem is it's getting pushed on people in deceptive ways. People crave sugar because they're addicted to it. They're addicted to it because it's added to 90% of the food Americans eat. The politics behind all that are really depressing, and something I can't get into typing this out on my cell while at work. And I'm supposed to at least look like I'm really doing something :).

Being fat and loosing your feet to diabetes wouldn't be as much your fault as you might believe. We're all swimming upstream in a powerful river when it comes to nutrition and health.
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Meh. Sure, there's a level of deception going on, but it's still a choice that's personal. Smoke isn't something you can keep to yourself. Being a fatty is a personal choice.
 
#44
Gorn said:
Meh. Sure, there's a level of deception going on, but it's still a choice that's personal. Smoke isn't something you can keep to yourself. Being a fatty is a personal choice.
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Up until recently I too believes that. My thinking has changed since I started studying health and nutrition.
 
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#45
GregC said:
Haha, well...I live in Chicago, one of those gosh-darn bastions of liberalism your ilk is always grousing about.;) And guess what? You can still smoke on your own property as well as the property of like-minded individuals (that'd be the folks who don't mind all their stuff smelling awful)--same with your car, and also out in the streets. People smoke 20 feet or so outside of my office building (and occasionally I have to ride with them in the elevator :vomit:).

And according to the CDC, about 18% of Americans still smoke--about 45 million people. That's some weird kind of abolition.

As for bars, despite the anecdotes and smoking bans, they are still seeing rising sales. That's pretty remarkable given the massive growth of in-home entertainment. Invalid Link Removed
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Ah, so we agree, it was the "anything goes/don't judge me" crowd that has nearly abolished public smoking in the US thru shaming and bullying!!

I'm not surprised that for every dive bar and honky-tonk that has closed in the past 20 years or so that three Starbucks and a Chipotle have popped up!!
 
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Stdjazz4 said:
Ah, so we agree, it was the "anything goes/don't judge me" crowd that has nearly abolished public smoking in the US thru shaming and bullying!!

I'm not surprised that for every dive bar and honky-tonk that has closed in the past 20 years or so that three Starbucks and a Chipotle have popped up!!
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:rollno:
 
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Stdjazz4 said:
Ah, so we agree, it was the "anything goes/don't judge me" crowd that has nearly abolished public smoking in the US thru shaming and bullying!!

I'm not surprised that for every dive bar and honky-tonk that has closed in the past 20 years or so that three Starbucks and a Chipotle have popped up!!
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Well let's face some hard facts here. If you're dumb enough to smoke in this day & age you should be ashamed.
 
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Gorn said:
Meh. Sure, there's a level of deception going on, but it's still a choice that's personal. Smoke isn't something you can keep to yourself. Being a fatty is a personal choice.
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Not any more.

There is a rapidly growing movement in the US to ban/regulate/tax any activities that are risky to the health and safety of the individual.

The reasoning is that in our modern, compassionate society, it's disgraceful to allow people to suffer the consequences of personal harm. We are morally obligated to provide public money and material support to help those who are sick or injured or incapacitated, regardless of fault.

This, in turn, makes individuals responsible to minimize their personal risk. Too many people making poor choices about their health wastes public resources, and those in charge of the purses rings won't allow that.
 
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hbarcat said:
Not any more.

There is a rapidly growing movement in the US to ban/regulate/tax any activities that are risky to the health and safety of the individual.

The reasoning is that in our modern, compassionate society, it's disgraceful to allow people to suffer the consequences of personal harm. We are morally obligated to provide public money and material support to help those who are sick or injured or incapacitated, regardless of fault.

This, in turn, makes individuals responsible to minimize their personal risk. Too many people making poor choices about their health wastes public resources, and those in charge of the purses rings won't allow that.
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I don't have the answer, but what is it then? How far can you take putting limits on personal choices? How do we enforce it? What are the penalties for rule breaking?
 
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hbarcat said:
Not any more.

There is a rapidly growing movement in the US to ban/regulate/tax any activities that are risky to the health and safety of the individual.

The reasoning is that in our modern, compassionate society, it's disgraceful to allow people to suffer the consequences of personal harm. We are morally obligated to provide public money and material support to help those who are sick or injured or incapacitated, regardless of fault.

This, in turn, makes individuals responsible to minimize their personal risk. Too many people making poor choices about their health wastes public resources, and those in charge of the purses rings won't allow that.
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True except when one looks at protected risky behaviors. Take your pick without getting the thread locked....just don't post it.

Having spent nights in smoked-in clubs post gig with a roadie, all our gear, and protective devices(sequential shows at the same venue) AND dealt with smelly gear/clothes, I do not miss smoke in venues.

I do sometimes think of people who take care of themselves especially when reading about a "100 year old" telling the secret of their longevity while smoking a few cigars or cigs per day as it appears some substances got in smoking can be preventative.

The question is: Where does one draw the line on "protecting people from themselves" if any sort of freedom of choice is to remain for the individual?
 
#55
Stdjazz4 said:
Oddly enough, it's the "anything goes/don't judge me" crowd that abolished smoking in the US thru shaming and bullying.

But I digress...
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You are still completely free to pridefully light up and smoke yourself to death in the United States of Anerica but you don't understand why that belongs outside, or at home?
 
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bolophonic said:
And all this BS about the "nanny state" trying to protect smokers from themselves is totally willful ignorance and sour grapes... The majority of people don't smoke and don't want to be breathing it and if that offends smokers, well... The world is just not as PC as you would have us believe.
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Funny that, if the majority is as offended as you are, all of that could have been handled by private rules and regulations.....
 
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