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So Am I Having a Bad Attitude?

Jive...WOW! You've got one adorable drummer on your hands! You two look so happy! :hyper:

You are truly blessed my friend. I dare anyone to watch this and call you anything but a doting father! Bad attitude - never!
I can see your point. But, in terms of making money there are more profitable endeavors I can partake in, and capable of doing. But, music is what I love, and if I have to take a part time job, it may as well be something I enjoy doing or something I would do anyway. As the old Chinese saying says, "Do what you love, and you will never work again".


That's where I'm at, and part of the frustration. If they just want to have fun and make music, I'm down with that. This is probably the only group I would make that kind of time and effort for, because I like the folks alot. But at the same time, I don't want to rehearse all serious if the goal isn't to work. If we're just having fun, then just cut loose and have fun. No need for pressure to get your homework done, to sacrifice things for rehearsal time, or play tunes you don't enjoy if the goal is to have fun. But, if we're practicing like we're working or wanting to work, with no-one finding any work is frustrating to say the least. And neglecting the business end of it is no way to get work. If the biz side is too much for the others, I totally understand. I don't want to deal with it either. IMO, if no-one wants to deal with the biz, we need to face reality that we are just doing this to have fun and just loosen up on the rehearsals. If we're not out playing games, I'd much rather have an intrasquad scrimmage or exhibition game than running drills every week.


Like I said before, if they want to do it for fun, I'm down with it. I'm not going to try to push my agenda onto my friends. But, I also am not going to put in a world of effort and seriousness if we aren't actually trying to get out there and work. If we're gonna have fun and enjoy the music, then lets do so. Part of the fun is not having to unneccessarily sacrifice personal time to do so. I'm am all for just showing up and jamming, cutting up and having a good time. I just don't want it to unecessarily cut into time for other things if there's no payout of a show at the end of it.



I've talked to the band about moving forward, they are probably tired of hearing me say it, and I'm tired of me saying it. There's lip service about what we need to do, but when it comes down to it, nothing happened. I made it clear to a couple of members, that I have not contacted any place for a gig since last May, and won't be doing it because I don't have time. No-one has picked up the slack, even though they know I am not doing it, that I am burnt out on that end, and I have more pressing needs.

You're right, I am over committed, and part of the frustration comes from that. If we're just going to have fun, then I would love to relax and kick back on some jams that I enjoy. It would be a stress relief for me. But, if we're going to be all serious and cut into my already busy schedule, then it has to accomplish something to make the sacrifice worthwhile. The problem is that we are doing neither, or at least I'm not getting either. Maybe learning tunes, working out arrangements, and rehearsing in and of itself fun for them and gives them the feeling of accomplishment. I also enjoy doing that as well, but I like to get validation for that work through a gig. For me a gig, in terms of money and fun is the payout, and the motivation for rehearsal.

Hey Jive, been a long...VERY long time,how have things worked out? Is your son your new/next drummer?
 
Just throwing this out there to get some opinions. If I'm just having a bad attitude, let me know. It's a long post, so if you don't want to read the details, the short version is:
Band has no gigs, nobody is booking gigs, so I don't want to rehearse. Am I a jerk for being that way?


The long version:
My "main band" that I've been with for the last couple years hasn't had a gig since last year. Since my father's stroke last summer, and my baby becoming a toddler, I haven't had any time to book or promote anything while running a business and keeping a full-time job. I sorta let the booking go in hopes that the others would step up and book something. In the mean time, I have been gigging pretty steadily with other bands and pretty much keeping almost as busy as I would like to be on the gig front.

The issue is that the "main band" wants to rehearse weekly, but there's no gigs on the books. They are really good folks, very talented, I like them a lot as people and consider them friends as well as bandmates. I really enjoy jamming with them, but with nothing on the books, and it not looking like there is anything on the horizon until our regular 3-4 summer shows, I'm not very motivated to rehearse or learn new songs. Especially when they are songs like "Sweet Caroline" which I have no interest in unless it's for a paid gig. I don't jam to Neil Diamond in my free time.

The sad thing is that if someone were to put in some work and book the band, it could actually do some good things. When we do gigs, we get a great response from the crowd and our clients. Of the many bands I work with, it could be the most talented. But, I just don't have the time or desire to book the band. In the past, I asked the guys to use Google calendar or let me know in advance their blackout dates so I don't have to call everyone and have the client wait for an answer. Only one person used Google calendar, and notice of blackout dates were inconsistent on a good day. I talked about new photos and a video to help with booking better gigs for over a year, and I have given up on it because no-one wants to do it. I talked about changing the name to help give us a more sellable image, and I get blowback. Considering what little help I get from the band in the booking department, I don't see any reason to sacrifice family or professional time for it. Part of my frustration is that from my previous booking experiences with the band, I get feedback about the name, promo materials, etc. from potential clients, agents, and people I respect in the biz around here, but they don't heed any of it because they aren't out there dealing with it.

The main problem with this band is that 95% of the focus of the other band members is rehearsal. Right now we have over 90 songs in our repertoire, enough to do 2-3 nights in a row without repeating a song. But, we still "need" to learn new songs for "some gig" just-in-case. We don't have band meetings or talk about business other than a 2 minute blurb while everyone is packing up to go home. IME, rehearsal alone won't help you get gigs, and they probably know that, but for some reason they seem to act like more rehearsals will fix things.

For me the payout is playing shows. Rehearsal can be fun, but it's never as fun as playing a show for me. Without the payout, it's hard to get motivated to put the time and energy into it. It feels like a stick with no carrot.

The dilemma is that I really like these guys, and like playing with them, but without shows on the books, I don't see the need to rehearse often. And if no-one is booking any shows, then it's not going anywhere, regardless of how tight we are in rehearsal. Because I like these guys, I don't mind just getting together and just jamming as friends once in a while. But if that's the main goal, I don't want to sacrifice too much family or professional time to do it. I'd rather just jam out on tunes that I like, have fun, and call it a night. Learning Neil Diamond during my free time, having to rearrange schedules, and pushing the envelope with my already accommodating wife isn't fun. Plus, I work with other bands that are working, and I should give them my limited rehearsal time, even though they don't rehearse much.

I don't want to quit. Ideally, I wish someone would book some shows. Or we just chill and have fun as friends when we have time once or twice a month. But treating it like "work" when there is no work on the horizon or effort to get work just doesn't motivate me. I guess you could construe it as a bad attitude, and trust me, I'd rather not have one. I'd rather either focus on having fun, or working.

Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance for any thoughts or ideas.
Rehearsing cover songs, is tedious, monotonous and unrewarding. The great part about being in a cover band, is that you can learn the songs on your own, do a quick rehearsal before the show, and rock all night.

Weekly rehearsal, for a non playing cover band, is like eating when you're not hungry.
 
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I’m late to the party on this one, but the question you seem to be asking yourself is “Do I enjoy playing music with other people enough to do it without the reward of performance/pay?” It’s yours to answer and what actions you take will fall naturally from that answer.

Personally, I have always found the process of selecting music, working on it with others, finding our collective approach to each song, and polishing it to be far more fun and personally rewarding. Any other way of thinking about it reduces that shared creative process to just another job.

But that’s just me. Good luck with this….
 
I’m late to the party on this one, but the question you seem to be asking yourself is “Do I enjoy playing music with other people enough to do it without the reward of performance/pay?” It’s yours to answer and what actions you take will fall naturally from that answer.

Personally, I have always found the process of selecting music, working on it with others, finding our collective approach to each song, and polishing it to be far more fun and personally rewarding. Any other way of thinking about it reduces that shared creative process to just another job.

But that’s just me. Good luck with this….
I enjoy taking the time to rehearse and get things right on some cool songs with guys I like having a beer with.
 
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To the OP, short version.
No gigs, no future etc, means band has stalled, imv.

So if you want to gig, look elsewhere. Then deal with this band once they become viable.
Takking to my friend who had the same dilemma, and with a week he had 6 gigs a month on the books and other contacts to work with.
Stalled band can take their chances he is available if and when they call.

(the new band contacting him did rather force the decision to go for the gigging band)
 
I will no longer be booking the band, I have gigs booked, I'm running the website and doing sound, I can't rehears every week, but can once or twice a month, I like playing with you all, but I would prefer that someone books some reasonable gigs so I can perform with you all.

I'm totally down with what you come up with...