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So, Ariel Castro is dead...

#183
Jack Williams was violated by his drill instructor three times, always at three in the morning. For Billy Joe Capshaw it was different; he was raped so many times over so many months it became one long brutal blur. He is, at least, alive. His assailant’s name was Jeffrey Dahmer.
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For Capshaw it began the day he and Dahmer, an Army medic, were put into a room together. The assaults began at once and, eventually, he leapt from the third-floor window to escape. “I had probably been raped eight to 10 times, I don’t know. He was tying me to the bunk with motor-pool rope. He took all my clothing from me. He would either beat me before he raped me or he would beat me after.” Eventually, Capshaw was taken to the dispensary for a test with what they called a rape kit to see if he was telling the truth. The doctors did nothing and he was sent back to the room. “I was there for another 17 months with Jeff being raped and tortured.” He learnt 10 years later that the rape kit and the results had simply been discarded. “They threw me to the dogs,” he says. Dahmer eventually was pushed out of the Army for alcohol abuse – with an honourable discharge.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...militarys-secret-sexual-assaults-8679271.html
 
#184
dullsilver_mike said:
Well said.

Outside of the family and community this tragedy directly affected, the whole thing can serve as nothing more than a spectacle. If we pay attention to that spectacle, we're turning other human beings' tragedy into our entertainment.
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Or, perhaps some of us reflect upon them as life lessons, & reminders to always be diligent in our care for our own children to avoid becoming statistics of a similar nature.

Just because we choose to discuss it, rather than burying our heads in the sand, and pretending it all didn't happen, or sweeping it under some non-existent rug, is hardly grounds to insinuate that were all doing so strictly for entertainment purposes, or personal kicks.
Again...I seriously doubt anyone's here to get their jollies off.
I can't imagine that the members who chose to discus current affairs can possibly effect anyone so much that they feel the need to interject their distain for the discussion to the point that they are willing to start chipping away at others character simply for discussing a tragedy.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't. But don't try and dictate the rest of our abilities to do so.
I can't speak for everyone, but I myself prefer to discuss the bad stuff so it's known, rather than ignore it so it happens over, & over again.

Who cares what Ariel Castro wanted, he's dead!
He's getting absolutely no satisfaction out of anything right now.
 
#185
1SHOT1HIT said:
Or, perhaps some of us reflect upon them as life lessons, & reminders to always be diligent in our care for our own children to avoid becoming statistics of a similar nature.
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Statistically, the chances of being kidnapped and held in a house as a slave for ten years are pretty low. Don't have the numbers in front of me, but I have a feeling that you'd probably have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning, twice, while riding a unicycle.
 
#186
LiquidMidnight said:
Statistically, the chances of being kidnapped and held in a house as a slave for ten years are pretty low. Don't have the numbers in front of me, but I have a feeling that you'd probably have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning, twice, while riding a unicycle.
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Well if you add in the intricacies of any situation the statistics drop dramatically.
So take off the whole 10 years part, the slave part, and I believe it then becomes a child is reported missing every 40 or so seconds in the US.

That's staggeringly higher than twin lightening strikes on a unicycle.

Your logic in making it seem less possible is nothing more than stacking on the extra variables to discredit the possibility.
So sure while we compare possibilities of exacts the chances are almost non-existent, when you just focus on the off chance of abduction alone, those chances are unfortunately much greater.

The odds of a female child being kidnapped while wearing a purple shirt, skipping in the rain, singing SpongeBob, picking her nose, wearing white, & green sneakers, carrying 4 lolli-pops, and 2 pieces of gum in her left pocket, with blonde hair, and blue barrettes, at 3:00pm, in a school zone, with her parents at home cooking chicken, watching the news, from a Samsung TV, in a one level house with 3 bedrooms is almost unheard of.
You have a better chance at getting struck by lightening twice, while riding a unicycle.
But,
If we're talking JUST the abduction part, (which really, is all that's relevant in the conversation) your kid falls into a much greater risk factor as a child is reported missing every 40 seconds.

NONE of which matter at all as the point was that people chose to discuss this for various reasons, and just because some don't see them is no reason to attempt to silence everyone else.
Especially in an Internet forum where subject matter is both abundant, and ignorable.
If a particular thread isn't a subject you wish to participate in, simply don't participate.

But to open it up, then express why you don't like it, then proceed to tell others why they too should not like it, and then go even further by saying if you don't like it, like I don't like it you are doing exactly what I assumed you shouldn't like it for in the first place.
Is just ridiculous.
 
#187
1SHOT1HIT said:
Well if you add in the intricacies of any situation the statistics drop dramatically.
So take off the whole 10 years part, the slave part, and I believe it then becomes a child is reported missing every 40 or so seconds in the US.

That's staggeringly higher than twin lightening strikes on a unicycle.

Your logic in making it seem less possible is nothing more than stacking on the extra variables to discredit the possibility.
So sure while we compare possibilities of exacts the chances are almost non-existent, when you just focus on the off chance of abduction alone, those chances are unfortunately much greater.

The odds of a female child being kidnapped while wearing a purple shirt, skipping in the rain, singing SpongeBob, picking her nose, wearing white, & green sneakers, carrying 4 lolli-pops, and 2 pieces of gum in her left pocket, with blonde hair, and blue barrettes, at 3:00pm, in a school zone, with her parents at home cooking chicken, watching the news, from a Samsung TV, in a one level house with 3 bedrooms is almost unheard of.
You have a better chance at getting struck by lightening twice, while riding a unicycle.
But,
If we're talking JUST the abduction part, (which really, is all that's relevant in the conversation) your kid falls into a much greater risk factor as a child is reported missing every 40 seconds.

NONE of which matter at all as the point was that people chose to discuss this for various reasons, and just because some don't see them is no reason to attempt to silence everyone else.
Especially in an Internet forum where subject matter is both abundant, and ignorable.
If a particular thread isn't a subject you wish to participate in, simply don't participate.

But to open it up, then express why you don't like it, then proceed to tell others why they too should not like it, and then go even further by saying if you don't like it, like I don't like it you are doing exactly what I assumed you shouldn't like it for in the first place.
Is just ridiculous.
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I was stacking a bit. :D But I was taking your comment at face value regarding kidnapping and holding people, which in this case was a very special case that doesn't happen often.
 
#189
I don't think any rational person would take pleasure or "get their jollies" about Castro's ultimate demise. I think it is perfectly rational to get a form of somber satisfaction from seeing justice served.

If you want to debate whether or not he deserved to die, well, take it up with Mr. Castro next time you see him. He made that choice, not us.

If anything, in a way, his suicide is a cheat and a bit of a disappointment. He was meant to suffer in captivity and at the peril of abuse the way his victims did.
 
#190
1SHOT1HIT said:
The odds of a female child being kidnapped while wearing a purple shirt, skipping in the rain, singing SpongeBob, picking her nose, wearing white, & green sneakers, carrying 4 lolli-pops, and 2 pieces of gum in her left pocket, with blonde hair, and blue barrettes, at 3:00pm, in a school zone, with her parents at home cooking chicken, watching the news, from a Samsung TV, in a one level house with 3 bedrooms is almost unheard of
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Prove it mathematically, do the permutations. Then I'll believe it.

;-/ Paul
 
#191
LiquidMidnight said:
I was stacking a bit. :D But I was taking your comment at face value regarding kidnapping and holding people, which in this case was a very special case that doesn't happen often.
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Agreed!
A rare occurrence, but as we've seen it DOES occur.
Once is enough to keep me careful when it comes to my daughter.

And situations like this are definitely worth discussing as long as they exist.
 
#193
1SHOT1HIT said:
Or, perhaps some of us reflect upon them as life lessons, & reminders to always be diligent in our care for our own children to avoid becoming statistics of a similar nature.

Just because we choose to discuss it, rather than burying our heads in the sand, and pretending it all didn't happen, or sweeping it under some non-existent rug, is hardly grounds to insinuate that were all doing so strictly for entertainment purposes, or personal kicks.
Again...I seriously doubt anyone's here to get their jollies off.
I can't imagine that the members who chose to discus current affairs can possibly effect anyone so much that they feel the need to interject their distain for the discussion to the point that they are willing to start chipping away at others character simply for discussing a tragedy.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't. But don't try and dictate the rest of our abilities to do so.
I can't speak for everyone, but I myself prefer to discuss the bad stuff so it's known, rather than ignore it so it happens over, & over again.

Who cares what Ariel Castro wanted, he's dead!
He's getting absolutely no satisfaction out of anything right now.
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I could have better expressed my objection:
My take is that, as far as the folks in this thread are concerned, it might as well have not happened because it didn't happen to us and (there may very well be some exceptions) for most of us it's not close enough to our family, neighborhoods, or communities to have any inherent bearing on our lives. The bearing is manufactured by the media and we're wasting time focusing on that instead of dealing with problems immediately relevant to our lives (or helping the actual community affected by the de facto event).

What you say about understanding there was an abduction and learning from the mistakes of others is fine. My point is aimed at those so emotionally invested in the story they have a visceral reaction to it and it's this: that we simply aren't familiar with the event and we aren't discussing it, we're familiar with the spectacle based on the event and are discussing that. Because it didn't actually happen in our communities, our circles of existence (again, it's a big board so there could be an exception to that) the story has come heavily filtered through the media that distributes it. I don't say that as a conspiracy theory about a hidden agenda, the filter is one simply designed to get ratings that compete with reality TV programs and other manufactured content, in other words, to keep us entertained. You can look at a painting of a fruit basket and learn a bit about fruit baskets from it, but it's not a fruit basket and you shouldn't have the emotional attachment to it that you would to a real fruit basket. Following that metaphor, we're all discussing the painting here while pretending it's the actual object depicted.

That distinction between event and spectacle is why I chose to participate in this discussion--I think it's an important distinction that serves us well. Again, I don't think you're wrong about an opportunity to learn. I just opine that the substantial emotional investment many people are putting into this is a form of entertainment, just as enjoying the painting of a fruit basket is entertainment. The big problem is that enjoying the painting doesn't detract much from the real fruit basket, participating in the spectacle desensitizes us and provides us entertainment at the expense of those who had to go through the actual ordeal.
 
#194
dullsilver_mike said:
I could have better expressed my objection:
My take is that, as far as the folks in this thread are concerned, it might as well have not happened because it didn't happen to us and (there may very well be some exceptions) for most of us it's not close enough to our family, neighborhoods, or communities to have any inherent bearing on our lives. The bearing is manufactured by the media and we're wasting time focusing on that instead of dealing with problems immediately relevant to our lives (or helping the actual community affected by the de facto event).

What you say about understanding there was an abduction and learning from the mistakes of others is fine. My point is aimed at those so emotionally invested in the story they have a visceral reaction to it and it's this: that we simply aren't familiar with the event and we aren't discussing it, we're familiar with the spectacle based on the event and are discussing that. Because it didn't actually happen in our communities, our circles of existence (again, it's a big board so there could be an exception to that) the story has come heavily filtered through the media that distributes it. I don't say that as a conspiracy theory about a hidden agenda, the filter is one simply designed to get ratings that compete with reality TV programs and other manufactured content, in other words, to keep us entertained. You can look at a painting of a fruit basket and learn a bit about fruit baskets from it, but it's not a fruit basket and you shouldn't have the emotional attachment to it that you would to a real fruit basket. Following that metaphor, we're all discussing the painting here while pretending it's the actual object depicted.

That distinction between event and spectacle is why I chose to participate in this discussion--I think it's an important distinction that serves us well. Again, I don't think you're wrong about an opportunity to learn. I just opine that the substantial emotional investment many people are putting into this is a form of entertainment, just as enjoying the painting of a fruit basket is entertainment. The big problem is that enjoying the painting doesn't detract much from the real fruit basket, participating in the spectacle desensitizes us and provides us entertainment at the expense of those who had to go through the actual ordeal.
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Well that was well put, and for that I award you 10 points. You may also pass go and collect your $200 dollars.

Love the fruit basket analogy, and it's HIGHLY likely that I'm going to proudly steal it at some point in my future.

Lol, I get what you mean.
 
#195
I live in a Cleveland suburb not more than ten miles from the area. Maybe our local news hypes the story more than it should. But I don't like all the negative press and publicity that Cleveland receives. This type of crime could and does happen in any neighborhood. Maybe I'm just too sensitive on the subject.
Cleveland is a cool city and has many culturally diverse venues. Also home to some first class medical care and universities. We also have a park system that is one of the finest. Yes we also have serious problems. So I am sorry for any comments I have made that disturbed anyone. Just sick of hearing about all the negatives.

;-/ Paul
 
#196
dullsilver_mike said:
I could have better expressed my objection:
My take is that, as far as the folks in this thread are concerned, it might as well have not happened because it didn't happen to us and (there may very well be some exceptions) for most of us it's not close enough to our family, neighborhoods, or communities to have any inherent bearing on our lives. The bearing is manufactured by the media and we're wasting time focusing on that instead of dealing with problems immediately relevant to our lives (or helping the actual community affected by the de facto event).

What you say about understanding there was an abduction and learning from the mistakes of others is fine. My point is aimed at those so emotionally invested in the story they have a visceral reaction to it and it's this: that we simply aren't familiar with the event and we aren't discussing it, we're familiar with the spectacle based on the event and are discussing that. Because it didn't actually happen in our communities, our circles of existence (again, it's a big board so there could be an exception to that) the story has come heavily filtered through the media that distributes it. I don't say that as a conspiracy theory about a hidden agenda, the filter is one simply designed to get ratings that compete with reality TV programs and other manufactured content, in other words, to keep us entertained. You can look at a painting of a fruit basket and learn a bit about fruit baskets from it, but it's not a fruit basket and you shouldn't have the emotional attachment to it that you would to a real fruit basket. Following that metaphor, we're all discussing the painting here while pretending it's the actual object depicted.

That distinction between event and spectacle is why I chose to participate in this discussion--I think it's an important distinction that serves us well. Again, I don't think you're wrong about an opportunity to learn. I just opine that the substantial emotional investment many people are putting into this is a form of entertainment, just as enjoying the painting of a fruit basket is entertainment. The big problem is that enjoying the painting doesn't detract much from the real fruit basket, participating in the spectacle desensitizes us and provides us entertainment at the expense of those who had to go through the actual ordeal.
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Well that was well put, and for that I award you 10 points. You may also pass go and collect your $200 dollars.

Love the fruit basket analogy, and it's HIGHLY likely that I'm going to proudly steal it at some point in my future.

Lol, I get what you mean.
 
#197
electracoyote said:
I don't think any rational person would take pleasure or "get their jollies" about Castro's ultimate demise. I think it is perfectly rational to get a form of somber satisfaction from seeing justice served.

If you want to debate whether or not he deserved to die, well, take it up with Mr. Castro next time you see him. He made that choice, not us.

If anything, in a way, his suicide is a cheat and a bit of a disappointment. He was meant to suffer in captivity and at the peril of abuse the way his victims did.
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I'd rather save the money.
 
#198
dullsilver_mike said:
I could have better expressed my objection:
My take is that, as far as the folks in this thread are concerned, it might as well have not happened because it didn't happen to us and (there may very well be some exceptions) for most of us it's not close enough to our family, neighborhoods, or communities to have any inherent bearing on our lives. The bearing is manufactured by the media and we're wasting time focusing on that instead of dealing with problems immediately relevant to our lives (or helping the actual community affected by the de facto event).

What you say about understanding there was an abduction and learning from the mistakes of others is fine. My point is aimed at those so emotionally invested in the story they have a visceral reaction to it and it's this: that we simply aren't familiar with the event and we aren't discussing it, we're familiar with the spectacle based on the event and are discussing that. Because it didn't actually happen in our communities, our circles of existence (again, it's a big board so there could be an exception to that) the story has come heavily filtered through the media that distributes it. I don't say that as a conspiracy theory about a hidden agenda, the filter is one simply designed to get ratings that compete with reality TV programs and other manufactured content, in other words, to keep us entertained. You can look at a painting of a fruit basket and learn a bit about fruit baskets from it, but it's not a fruit basket and you shouldn't have the emotional attachment to it that you would to a real fruit basket. Following that metaphor, we're all discussing the painting here while pretending it's the actual object depicted.

That distinction between event and spectacle is why I chose to participate in this discussion--I think it's an important distinction that serves us well. Again, I don't think you're wrong about an opportunity to learn. I just opine that the substantial emotional investment many people are putting into this is a form of entertainment, just as enjoying the painting of a fruit basket is entertainment. The big problem is that enjoying the painting doesn't detract much from the real fruit basket, participating in the spectacle desensitizes us and provides us entertainment at the expense of those who had to go through the actual ordeal.
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Now that's downright articulate.
 

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