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So, I'm not sure I get EMG.

darwin-bass

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EMG active pickups, at least the ones I've used, and I've used several, are on the bright side. YouTube demos show them as being noticeably brighter than other pickups.

I think their architecture is great - low output passive pickup wind with an on-board buffer preamp. But for some reason they have left them to be bright, bright, bright.

I would think they could over several tone flavors (dark, medium, bright) just with variations to the preamp. But apparently they don't.

What am I missing?
 
The early days of electric instrument design were all basically focused on increasing output/volume/power. When it comes to pickup design, the output of a passive coil is essentially dictated by the strength of the magnet, the number of turns of wire in the coil, and the spatial relationship between the coil, the magnet, and the strings. If you want more output, you can add turns, use a stronger magnet, and/or get the parts all closer together.

However, all of those options have tradeoffs in terms of tone. More turns means more resistance, so you start to lose high frequencies. Stronger magnet and/or closer to the strings can start to cause unpleasant distortion-like tones. And so on. Early pickup designs are all basically juggling acts of finding which of those tradeoffs don't sound terrible. The decisions being made at that point in history created the basic pickups that we are all familiar with, with their expected tones.

Since then, people have refined the designs and introduced new options (like: active buffers/preamps). These newer ideas are usually aimed at avoiding the tradeoffs that we've all been trained to accept as normal. Hence, the pickups produced generally don't sound like what we're used to! Which, in a sense, is the whole point.

Also I think it's arguable that there's some subjectivity to your claim. I agree that active EMGs are generally similar but they do have several different product lines which sound pretty different, and I wouldn't universally call them all bright. Even on the less bright options the active tech is nice since it isolates the pickup tone from your controls - probably a big part of what gives them the easy to identify EMG-ness in the first place - they sound the same regardless of what you wire them up to.

One other thing to keep in mind: it's easier to take a "bright" pickup and cut out the spectrum you don't want, than it is to take a muddy pickup and add back in what isn't there.
 
I would not call the EMG HBs in my Steinberger "bright". The sound very much like a precision pickup, midrangy and snarly. They don't sound even a little bit like the Jazz set I have in my Squier Jazz, which don't sound much like a Jazz pickup at all - very smooth, polite, a jack of all trades pickup for sure. Not quite as smooth as the MKI Bartolinis in my Corts, but similar.

So I have only two EMGs to compare, but those two could not sound more different.
 
EMG active pickups, at least the ones I've used, and I've used several, are on the bright side. YouTube demos show them as being noticeably brighter than other pickups.

I think their architecture is great - low output passive pickup wind with an on-board buffer preamp. But for some reason they have left them to be bright, bright, bright.

I would think they could over several tone flavors (dark, medium, bright) just with variations to the preamp. But apparently they don't.

What am I missing?

You're missing that they make several different kinds of pickups, so there is a choice in sound. Unfortunately, as they're buffered, you can't optimize your sound by loading - yo have to buy a different pickup.

You're also missing that EMG's are not a low output wind - they're rather conventional in the wind department. The low impedance comes from putting a buffer in the pickup. The buffering from the preamp, and the resultant lack of loading from cabling, etc, is also what can make the bright, And they're not low output - they're rather high output in general.
 
The EMGs I used were PJ and J sets. Standard issue active EMG.

I thought I remember reading that EMG took advantage of the on board preamp by going with weaker magnets and/or less winding, using the preamp to make up the lower signal. The advantage is no magnetic string drag and lower inductance. Sonically they give deeper lows and more extended highs. That's what I remember.

I quit using them because I just don't like to deal with active systems and batteries.
 
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EMG active pickups, at least the ones I've used, and I've used several, are on the bright side. YouTube demos show them as being noticeably brighter than other pickups.

I think their architecture is great - low output passive pickup wind with an on-board buffer preamp. But for some reason they have left them to be bright, bright, bright.

I would think they could over several tone flavors (dark, medium, bright) just with variations to the preamp. But apparently they don't.

What am I missing?


I think you missed the last 25 years. Pickups in general have come a long way. EMG pickups are not noticeably brighter than most others to my ears.
 
I’m a big fan of bright and beefy pickups, so I’m a big fan of EMG.

But if all you’ve encountered are the P and J pickups, then you’ve missed out on the variety of soapbars - J, P, CS, DC, TW - some of which are available with alternate magnetic architectures, and all of which are available with either the original preamp or the newer X series.

The DC is full-on, in-your-face metal tone, with lots of lows and lots of highs. The CS is similar, but more mellow and polite. The P sounds like - a P. The J sounds like - a J. And the TW is switchable between the CS and the J.

Lots to choose from, without even getting into the EQ circuits!
 
EMG active pickups, at least the ones I've used, and I've used several, are on the bright side. YouTube demos show them as being noticeably brighter than other pickups.

I think their architecture is great - low output passive pickup wind with an on-board buffer preamp. But for some reason they have left them to be bright, bright, bright.

I would think they could over several tone flavors (dark, medium, bright) just with variations to the preamp. But apparently they don't.

What am I missing?

I don't get EMG either ... or Bartolini
 
The EMGs I used were PJ and J sets. Standard issue active EMG.

I thought I remember reading that EMG took advantage of the on board preamp by going with weaker magnets and/or less winding, using the preamp to make up the lower signal. The advantage is no magnetic string drag and lower inductance. Sonically they give deeper lows and more extended highs. That's what I remember.

I quit using them because I just don't like to deal with active systems and batteries.
I think you're missing the idea that brightness coming out of your pickup doesn't mean you have to have a bright tone in the performance/recording. The philosophy is if you start with clarity, you can always darken that as much or little as you want. If you start with a darker tone, trying to brighten that doesn't work as well. It's similar with strings. Most people who use stainless rounds don't necessarily want a super bright tone, we want *the option* of a super bright tone, knowing we can darken it as much as we want with EQ.
 
I have EMG's in a Yamaha P type bass with an EMG BTC preamp. I wouldn't necessarily call the pickups bright. I would call them clear. The BTC preamp makes this bass easily the loudest bass I own with the widest tone possibilities. More highs and more lows. An added plus is that the BTC preamp will boost or cut frequencies so I can get virtually any tone I want.
Also I have had this setup in several basses. I have been using it since 1983. Still works great.
 
In my mind the benefit of emgs is their very wide frequency response which, when combined with a hi-pass and a low pass filter can be narrowed to wherever it needs to be to live in a nice spot in any mix. Often, though, the appeal to many EMG users is the sound of that full range, which is hard to find elsewhere.