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solid state vs tube

I'm sure that's true, and I would be among the presumed majority. But what's your point?

BTW, these threads are getting closed earlier and earlier by the mods, and I half suspect this is one of those "BS" threads identified in another recent thread, designed solely for the purpose of chain-yanking and hornet-nest-stirring.

Not that I'm necessarily against that, mind. :D

how many manufactures make all tube heads these days . The stuff is vintage and not as accessible as SS amps.

.for the purpose of chain-yanking and hornet-nest-stirring.Not that I'm necessarily against that, mind.

LMFAO. thats good.:smug:
 
I would love to use a Ampeg Heritage CL and SVT-810-E(Dream Rig)(300w)..but cant afford , and I dont have a huge roadie to carry this thing around for me...so in the interum i use Mesa 6 Carbine 2x12 combo(600w)12ax7 preamp tube...sounds great...and at a fraction of the cost and weight.
Theres not too much I cant pull off with this amp.
 
Yeah I saw the "sound also comes from the tube output" coming, surprised it took that long :rollno:
So glad they "shouted" it, made it easier to find :smug:

I would have bought some of that if I hadn't found a rig that's so damn close that doesn't have output tubes. I find the harmonic complexity that is what people are after in tube amps can be had without the power-section sag and compression, so its the best of both worlds.
 
BurningSkies said:
I would have bought some of that if I hadn't found a rig that's so damn close that doesn't have output tubes. I find the harmonic complexity that is what people are after in tube amps can be had without the power-section sag and compression, so its the best of both worlds.

A MOSFET I think can be made to sound like it has the sag and compression as you put it. I heard a super large Genz Benz head once that impressed me. I forgot the name of the head. I heard it at Jimmy Coppola's guitar and bass boutique in manhattan once. This is before he was making basses and just making custom foot pedal size bass preamps.
 
just curious as to what you use and why. Looking to get a bigger amp and was wondering on what everyone else plays and why

I use solid state(a chord spa2232 power amp and custom made pre) for two reasons-First : To my ear this set up is cleaner than anything i have so far heard,-I like clean- allowing me to introduce all the "dirt", people like so much about tube amps if and when I like or need to.
I have not heard a tube amp that gave me that clean thing I like as a starting point.
Secondly, I really don't like the idea of tubes going up in smoke at a gig and the task of figuring out which sound best for what in any given tube amp I might find.
To me it's an inconvenience I don't need.
 
They are different, some players prefer tub amps and some prefer SS amps. The key is they are different. I can see by this and the numerous other threads on the topic that the manufacturers have done a great job convincing a bunch of players that a hybrid amp is the “best of both worlds”.
Well, while some prefer transistor amps, some prefer tube amps, and some may even prefer a hybrid amp; the fact is they sound different. I would lump hybrids and transistor amps in the same category, and I am specifically referring to commercially produced integrated MI amplifiers and preamps, but…

Regardless of how many glowing bottles the marketing department of a manufacturer convinces the designers to incorporate into the preamp, what pabulum the ad copy writers spew or what kind of pedal you use it won’t sound like an all tube amp.

As antagonistic and trollish as the title of this thread is though; the above statement shouldn’t matter.

It’s simply a matter of personal preference. Although I personally prefer it, I don’t think tube is inherently better, it’s a preference, and it’s a preference that often comes with a lot of baggage.

I like to use the “significant other” analogy; let’s say there is a person you find wildly attractive, love being around, and feels like a true soul mate, but this person has 3 children, no job/money, a psychotic stalking ex, flirts openly in public and has six figures of daily compounding tax liability. But smokin’ hot and super sexy, and unbelievably willing and creative in the rack. A natural beauty.

On the other side, you have an attractive but not “movie star” person, who you get along with great. Loyal, hard working with a professional job, money in the bank, never married, no kids and whose ex was killed in an accident. As I said attractive, in good shape, young, vivacious, easy going, but not a head turning show stopper; zero baggage liabilities, and with a little grooming and the right clothes quite appealing indeed.

I’m sure you have figured out which choice represents the tube amp and which is transistor.

While the merits and detriments of both could be (and often are) argued ad nauseam, both your amp and your better half are simply a choice; it depends on the individual and their personal motivations.
But; no matter how much grooming or what clothes the second one chooses they will never have the animal magnetism of the first, and regardless of how drop dead appealing and soul stirring the first one is, the baggage is always in your face and needs to be dealt with.

With amps, and specifically on forums like this, the majority of players are amateur at best and the high cost, weight and bulk of dealing with all tube amps is impractical almost to the point of being ridiculous.
However, for the last several years tube amps have been enjoying a resurgence in popularity, and the mass manufacturers have certainly noticed.

Several marketing departments have quite convincingly promoted hybrids as the holy grail, exploiting the lower budget, space and cartage limited occasional player into thinking (and obviously “posting”) that hybrids “emulate” (interesting choice of word by these marketing types; look up the actual definition…) all tube amps without the weight, cost or bulk hassles of an all tube rig.
Great concept, regretfully it’s far more hyperbole than fact. A concept generally propagated on internet forums (much to these aforementioned marketing departments delight; any marketing types here ever used the term "sheeping"?) by players who really haven’t actually spent much quality time with both types, and simply parrot the marketing "hooks" that caused them to purchase the amp in the first place.

That said; I personally don’t think either type of amp is inherently better or worse, and in fact the compromise of a hybrid, pedals “Emulators”( ;) ) , etc. probably makes more sense for the casual player with limited resources to use for “tube tone” than a full out all tube rig.

As I have posted before, it generally boils down to how seriously you take your tone, and what percentage of your overall time, fiscal resources and effort you feel is necessary to devote to chasing that tone. Your choice of whether “that tone” is derived from vacuum tubes or transistors is a personal preference, not something to get your panties all wadded up about! :D
 
It seems to me that the single 12AX7 tube found in a lot of hybrid designs vastly overrated. All of a sudden people hear "warmth", "tube goodness" etc. To my ear those single pre amp tubes don't add much at all - a little colour yes, but the amp all in all still sounds very much like a solid state amp IMO.

Which in my opinion is a good thing! :)

IMHO, YMMV and all that.
 
I prefer & use SS amps - for the following reasons:
- I need a tight & clear modern tone; all that "sterile" sound of the SS amps works in my favour, I don't need the warmth of the tube amps (I can emulate it to an acceptable level if needed - but so far it was not necessary).
- I need to have my tone available even at low volume; from my experience, the tube amps really start to open and sound killer when you crank 'em.
- I don't like the perspective of changing the tubes due to poor handling during transportation between shows (it happened to a friend of mine - it was a guitar amp however), nor the overall weight of the tube amps.
- the SS amps are in general cheaper than the tube ones; unfortunately I can't afford to spend a small fortune for an amp.

I'm not saying it's the way to go, but for me it works.
 
I used "hybrid" amps for years, but always thought something was missing. They can do warm, fat, and crystal clean but they lose out to SS in low end definition and quickness, because transistors are better at transmitting more of what your fingers are doing to the speaker than a tube / or tubes do, my opinion.
 
I'm all about tubes after being an SS guy for years. To me, there is no comparison. Tubes just sound fuller and warmer and really help fill out a band and bring your tone to the next level. Hybrids are my next favorite, followed by straight SS heads.
 
I used "hybrid" amps for years, but always thought something was missing. They can do warm, fat, and crystal clean but they lose out to SS in low end definition and quickness, because transistors are better at transmitting more of what your fingers are doing to the speaker than a tube / or tubes do, my opinion.

Different strokes. Slapping with tubes in the signal produces that bit of phat punch that sounds good to me, like a slight delay. Yes ss is a tad quicker but phatness sounds better to me. Like I said, different strokes...
 
4-string said:
It seems to me that the single 12AX7 tube found in a lot of hybrid designs vastly overrated. All of a sudden people hear "warmth", "tube goodness" etc. To my ear those single pre amp tubes don't add much at all - a little colour yes, but the amp all in all still sounds very much like a solid state amp IMO.

Which in my opinion is a good thing! :)

IMHO, YMMV and all that.

I ask you to play through my Ampeg svt pro 3 and 8x10 Ampeg classic cab and stand by that statement. I had an ashdown valve preamp head and it was nice but the Ampeg is the best of them all. I want to get the pro 5 to
Power two cabs but in all honesty. I can fill most medium sized concert rooms with 'phat' incredible tone and not need to go through a Pa. Also I'm only using 35 to 95 gauge and that Ampeg goes deep. It is the max bottom
End with pure clarity.
 
It seems to me that the single 12AX7 tube found in a lot of hybrid designs vastly overrated. All of a sudden people hear "warmth", "tube goodness" etc. To my ear those single pre amp tubes don't add much at all - a little colour yes, but the amp all in all still sounds very much like a solid state amp IMO.

Which in my opinion is a good thing! :)

IMHO, YMMV and all that.


I've found this to be true. However, I have a 12AX7 tube preamp (SIB Fatdrive) that provides significant tubiness to the tone. Why it's more tubey in an external preamp than an internal pre is beyond my understanding of electronics. So experimentation is worthwhile, especially if you don't want to carry the weight of an all-tube amp.

Example of what this sounds like:
TheStormyWeathermen's Channel - YouTube
 

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