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"Some people are just born with it" - BS

I started a blues band (which has been a dream of mine for about, oh the last 30 years of playing bass) with a guitarist that appeared on the surface to be VERY good.

I started with the concept of playing with a killer drummer that I've played with off and on over the years and always wanted to get something going with him because together we form a very tight, in-the-pocket, groove machine rhythm section. I mean, together, even without other musicians, we can get people moving. We go together like PB&J. We're that into each other's minds.

So, this blues guitarist calls me out of the blue one day and we hit it off. We jam together a couple of times and decide we can really do something special, so I contact the drummer and he's onboard immediately. I've seen this guitarist do his "solo" gigs and the prospect is very intriguing.

I had 40 songs on disc with some of the funkiest, rockin' blues tunes that were anything but the standard I-IV-V fare. Great stuff we were all in agreement to play knowing nobody else does this kind of material around here at all.

The guitarist is a really good and he has a good voice too so he decides and we all agree to have him sing lead and play guitar. We're a three piece progressive blues band.

Here's where things begin to fall apart. We begin rehearsing. We individually learn our parts to the songs. The drummer and I have our parts nailed and we're tight on them ALL. We get together and the lead guitarist can't sing and play at the same time without either the singing or guitar playing suffering...tremendously. Well, anyone who does both knows it can take some time to get new material down, so I'm not panicking here...yet.

I offer to sing some of the leads to lessen his burden. No, he says, he can handle it and wants to do it. OK...we'll get together in a week and go over what he's got down. Next week comes and it's really no further along despite his practicing. Again he insists on doing both. He suggests maybe we should just go over the music and play along to the CD for vocal cues. He feels (and it makes sense) that he needs to get the music down with us first and then at the next practice he'll add the vocals.

Alright. But he's been making comments all along the way that only now are crystal clear to me. He says things like he "needs to play the songs his way". We're fine with that conceptually....you know we all agreed to do these blues covers in our own way. But what he really was saying (reading between the lines in hindsight) wasn't that he just didn't want to cover these songs note for note...he was incapable of doing so.

Rehearsal after rehearsal of sloppy guitar playing, poorly timed vocal lines and an ever growing sense that this guitar player, although very good on his own, just cannot play with other musicians. He says finally that "Some people are born to play the blues and it isn't something you can learn, no matter how hard you try".

Ah, I get it now. He's delusional. He feels that the drummer and I just don't get him because we can't alter the chord structure or timing to fit his "style" of playing. His "style" is nothing more than an inability to stay on time or keep an arranged chord structure. His playing is sloppy, his singing comes in late or early and he continually forgets what key he is in and plays whatever he's "in the mood for" instead of what the song calls for.

So I tell him as a last resort, "Look, we need to find a lead singer to let you just focus on the guitar." He explains that we just don't get it. He needs to sing lead because his guitar playing is based on his vocals. He's played with other singers and he can't play with others singing because they "don't get him". Uh-oh. I explain to him that for the good of the band, it's not an option. We HAVE TO get a lead singer. He totally flips out and calls me a ego maniac who is trying to change him into something else and the reason he can't get the vocal and guitar parts down is because me and the drummer aren't good enough. He was born to play the blues and we're just wannabes who aren't good enough to "jam in his free-form style".

Anyway...he packs up his toys and goes home thinking we're never going to amount to anything without him because he's God's gift to the blues. He was born with this "gift" and no matter how much we practice the drummer and I will never be as good as him. Even though everyone around knows how good the drummer and I are together. He neglects to see how the drummer and I have all of these songs down tight. Totally clueless.

Two days later we picked up a lead singer and a seasoned lead guitarist. One rehearsal later and we're already through half the material whereas with the "born to be a blues star and I'm entitled to be a lazy unprofessional guitar god" we had five rehearsals and couldn't get any of them down tight.

Sorry. Just had to rant. Moral of the story. Don't let first or even second impressions allow you to be blinded to the facts. Some guys may be very good doing there own thing, but for whatever reason just cannot play well with others. Anybody else come across these guys who have talent but lack professionalism? Duh, I know there are a lot out there. First time I've actually had to deal with one first hand.
 
Boy did it ever work out. The day this "guitar god" left, the drummer called an old friend who's played for 30 year too, and really got his act together playing blues clubs in Chicago in his youth. The guy is just an ace on guitar. Super professional and a great, humble guy. No ego, even though his abilities certainly would allow him that. Two days later we got together and without so much as ever even hearing most of these songs before he got through them like he had practiced them...for the most part anyway.

We have a full band rehearsal only a few days after that and we already are further along than we were with the self proclaimed guitar-god was after 7 rehearsals. :eek:

Yeah it worked out even better than I thought it would. I knew we could find someone, but I sure didn't think it would happen this quickly.
 
I've seen blues singing throw off more than one good musician/vocalist.
Perhaps that was a factor. Does he predominantly sing others kinds
of music?

The timing for singing blues is trickier than many realize --
especially when you're playing an instrument. I've seen otherwise
great singers choke on blues tunes because they just couldn't
get the timing right.

Glad your situation worked out in the end for you.
 
I've seen blues singing throw off more than one good musician/vocalist.
Perhaps that was a factor. Does he predominantly sing others kinds
of music?

The timing for singing blues is trickier than many realize --
especially when you're playing an instrument. I've seen otherwise
great singers choke on blues tunes because they just couldn't
get the timing right.

Glad your situation worked out in the end for you.

No doubt singing and playing has it's own quirks, but really in the end, it isn't limited to any one genre and anyone who takes on the role needs to be professional about it.

His timing is way-y-y-y off in a band setting. Solo he does just fine. He has no internal sense of time. Solo, if he's off, he simply either adjusts his vocals to his guitar or his guitar to his vocals so it is less noticeable. Jumps out like a frightened alley cat when he does that with two other musicians who are metronome solid. And the drummer and I are quite capable of "going with the flow" and working with other musicians...and the bb and flow of live playing.

There were other issues as well. Like when a part goes from D to E and he wants to play it C to D just because that feels right to him at the moment (when it is so flat out wrong it isn't the same song any longer).

Slopping through parts because that's how he feels, when in reality he can't play the parts right. He was using "creativity, imagination and inspiration" as excuses for playing horribly. Ugh!
 
Off topic--I'd be interested in a list of those.

I pulled 40 blues tunes off a compilation of over 1500 in my collection...

Here's a few...

Dues For The Blues - Cadillac Joe
Matchbox Holds My Clothes - Carl Weathersby
Stratisfied - Duke Robillard
Love Made A Fool Out Of Me - James Solberg Band
Communication- The Joe Moss Band
Who Did You Think I Was [Live] - John Mayer
Good Love Is On The Way [Live] -John Mayer
Do I Have to Go That Far? - Kenny Neal
Two Trains Running - Lamont Cranston Band version
Walk Around Time - Robert Cray Band
Me And My Guitar -Tommy Castro

Gotta Broken Heart (Live) - Walter Trout
A Real Mutha Fuh Ya - Carl Weathersby
Big Legged Woman - Freddie King
Don't Turn Your Back (On The Blues) - Gene Deer
I Dont Need No Doctor [Live] - John Mayer
I Can Read Between the Lines - Kenny Neal
Getting Off - Kraig Kenning
Hoodoo She Do - Lonnie Brooks
It'll All Make Sense - Ross William Perry
 
OP should have taped the rehearsals. Nothing better than destroying delusions of grandeur with the truth; raw recordings do not lie. Sounds like the guitar dude might have some raw talent, but never had it channeled and developed, and developed his ego, instead. If he had an ounce ot theory training, he would probably work out, but his ego will not let him.
 
Yeah, we plan on recording practices. At the end of every practice we simply jam for a while and a lot of interesting new original songs come out of that...provided we remember them. Recording will solve that.

Yes, recordings do not lie. But I have a feeling his enormous ego would still hear that he was just fine and it was us messing up his virtuosity.

The thing is, this guy has been around and he ain't some young kid new to music. However, I never did a background check (musical past that is...not criminal...LOL) and he has a long track record of not staying with bands. And it was always the same story...the "other" players couldn't hang with him. He never exhibited any of these personality traits until we were already long into this and I was seeing no progress. Then I was seeing all of it in this context and everything became clear to me. A big "Duh!" moment for me.

Sad really. Lots of talent being wasted on delusions. He's so good that if his head wasn't up his butt, he could really be something big. Yes, a little theory...or even being able to take some constructive suggestions from others. Just a willingness to be somewhat cooperative to the "band" process would have gone a long way. I wish him well though.
 
rockin' blues tunes that were anything but the standard I-IV-V fare.
You ever hear that Johnny Winter Album where he plays accoustic guitar. It is the best blues Album I've ever heard and not the standard I-IV-V either.

You know the first thing I think when Bands scream out, 'Do you want to hear some blues?' Uh oh, Somebodies out of songs.
 
You ever hear that Johnny Winter Album where he plays accoustic guitar. It is the best blues Album I've ever heard and not the standard I-IV-V either.

You know the first thing I think when Bands scream out, 'Do you want to hear some blues?' Uh oh, Somebodies out of songs.

Yeah, well the blues have inspired a lot of music that many wouldn't even think of as blues. There are a ton of ways to take that music and have a blues band morph into all kinds of things. The possibilities are only as limited as one accepts.

IMO, it's about the groove and very little of anything else with it matters to me much more than how it serves the music. Most blues bands form around some kind of focal person...typically a lead singer, harp player or guitarist. They all exude a certain personality and charm as well as being top notch at what they do.

The focal point of my band is the rhythm section. It's got be funky, rockin' or fun in some way that appeals to anybody. The vocals and guitar are just the gravy on top. We all know how hard it is to control gravy! ;) And that's not to minimize the importance of any other instruments, but it does set us apart from traditional blues bands and that I'm sure played a lot into the guitar player's ego.
 
Yeah, well the blues have inspired a lot of music that many wouldn't even think of as blues. There are a ton of ways to take that music and have a blues band morph into all kinds of things. The possibilities are only as limited as one accepts.

Yeah, I agree. I just can't handle hearing Redhouse, Pride and Joy (insert standard I IV V here) anymore because every lead sounds the same (unless it's Duane Allman).