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source audio c4
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You can store up to 128 presets on the C4, and you can recall presets using a MIDI CC message sent to the C4. This is frequently done using a device like the Disaster Area DMC.micro pedal, or software like Ableton Live connected to the C4 through its USB-mini jack to carry the MIDI signal.
Originally I used a Disaster Area DMC.micro into the C4, which can store 128 presets and the DMC can have 128 labels for them. I would just step up/down on the DMC footswitches to get to the preset I wanted. This is a simple and easy to use setup.
Now, because I'm using a few Source Audio pedals and need fast configuration between songs, I use the Setlist Maker app on a tablet to automatically send MIDI commands from each song to the DMC.micro PRO that is used for visual feedback on what preset is selected and to give me a manual selection method if needed. The DMC passes the MIDI commands on to the Neuro Hub that is connected to the C4, Gemini and UltraWave Bass pedals and can select up to 128 preset scenes between these pedals. Usually just one pedal is on but with some preset scenes I'm using two at once. I also have the Neuro Hub pass MIDI commands through to a vocal processor for my microphone presets. So each setlist song is sending multiple MIDI commands.
This may not help as you seem to have had previous success with multiple midi solutions. I had a similar issue. I first attempted a factory reset on my C4, and it didn't help. A factory reset on my DMC Micro Pro and reprogramming that did the trick.
The C4 red indicator was reacting to the C4, but no patches were changing. After the reset of the DMC, everything worked again.
Adderall is the cure for that! /potentialBadAdvice
I could use some help with the C4 if anyone is able/willing. I need to recreate a particular sound from my old zoom B9.1, and have just got the c4 - only issue none of my usb cables fitted so I had to order one which should arrive today. - And I have a private function gig tonight where I’ll need said sound! That gives me very little time to figure out the editor and recreate the sound. (if the cable even arrives in time!)
To help speed things up, may I please lean on your collective knowledge and skills ?
The sound is the one in these videos, it’s based off the zoom standard synth. Any existing patches out there sound like this that I could just download to the c4 when the cable shows up?
Thanks so much! Here is the sound in question being used in different songs. It’s most clear in ‘blinding lights’ (and out of sync! - overdub)
To help speed things up, may I please lean on your collective knowledge and skills ?
The sound is the one in these videos, it’s based off the zoom standard synth. Any existing patches out there sound like this that I could just download to the c4 when the cable shows up?
Thanks so much! Here is the sound in question being used in different songs. It’s most clear in ‘blinding lights’ (and out of sync! - overdub)
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locked out of heaven there def is patches - have you tried the input 2 TRS- headphone TRS into a phone method?
Thanks, that’s good to know, I’ve not got the adapter for the phone, still waiting for the cable, with 2.5 hours to go. Eeek.
You got it. Setlist Maker, which is a one time fee vs the same company's Band Helper that adds lots of band management functions to it and easy sharing between band members but has a monthly payment option only.
True, the initial setup takes time but once all the pieces are in place it is easy to add songs with the configuration you need for it and takes zero time on stage, which is the most important part for me. Plus some amazing sounds between the C4 and UW and sometimes both together!
I will check that out. I've also been looking at an app called AbleSet, which seems great for automating Ableton in the context of managing your set during a performance.
i've been using the C4 for a few patches only, mostly synthy stuff (it's great!). i'm going to be making some changes to my uber-small pedalboard by installing this on the board: https://www.nightowl.industries/edison-preamp .
i'm posting for some expert advice/experience: is there a conventional wisdom about putting the C4 before a preamp (like the edison) or after? (the only other effect on the board is holy grail reverb.) my impulsive shot at intuition is to put the preamp 1st...
it's not a big deal for me experiment my own bad self, but i thought i'd ask before i go about dismantling the thing.
i tried searching the thread with "pedal order" but got nothing relevant. any suggestions offered from experience (or best guess) would be appreciated. TIA
i'm posting for some expert advice/experience: is there a conventional wisdom about putting the C4 before a preamp (like the edison) or after? (the only other effect on the board is holy grail reverb.) my impulsive shot at intuition is to put the preamp 1st...
it's not a big deal for me experiment my own bad self, but i thought i'd ask before i go about dismantling the thing.
i tried searching the thread with "pedal order" but got nothing relevant. any suggestions offered from experience (or best guess) would be appreciated. TIA
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P w/flats.
I kid, kind of. Pedal order has got to be one of the most subjective topics on almost all of TB. I think it really depends on what C4 patches you are using and what the Edison does to your dynamics. I don't know that you'll be able to figure it out without trying it before and after each of your go-to patches. I run the C4 after my comp but before everything else, but depending on the preset I'm using, I'll use the Ultrawave as comp after it, turning off the Omnicomp at the front if I need the wide range dynamics before a filter or something similar. It seems like almost every preset handles everything differently. Because this pedal is absolutely insane. Or, just a proper synth that this gorilla has barely figured out
I kid, kind of. Pedal order has got to be one of the most subjective topics on almost all of TB. I think it really depends on what C4 patches you are using and what the Edison does to your dynamics. I don't know that you'll be able to figure it out without trying it before and after each of your go-to patches. I run the C4 after my comp but before everything else, but depending on the preset I'm using, I'll use the Ultrawave as comp after it, turning off the Omnicomp at the front if I need the wide range dynamics before a filter or something similar. It seems like almost every preset handles everything differently. Because this pedal is absolutely insane. Or, just a proper synth that this gorilla has barely figured out
As discussed in the last couple pages, the C4 really seems to prefer a hot signal, so if your bass is struggling with the calibration, definitely consider putting the Edison first with a generous boost. If the C4 seems to take away some tubey character from the Edison, or if you're trying to add some analog character to the synth sounds, then maybe Edison last?i've been using the C4 for a few patches only, mostly synthy stuff (it's great!). i'm going to be making some changes to my uber-small pedalboard by installing this on the board: https://www.nightowl.industries/edison-preamp .
i'm posting for some expert advice/experience: is there a conventional wisdom about putting the C4 before a preamp (like the edison) or after? (the only other effect on the board is holy grail reverb.) my impulsive shot at intuition is to put the preamp 1st...
it's not a big deal for me experiment my own bad self, but i thought i'd ask before i go about dismantling the thing.
i tried searching the thread with "pedal order" but got nothing relevant. any suggestions offered from experience (or best guess) would be appreciated. TIA
makes sense, thanks, @teopatl.
i could/should have figured: best practices = what works for user! i'll try both! 
Hey there! I received my C4 Synth yesterday, and I'm still discovering it. In order to manage presets, I also bought the Source Audio Midi Connector to plug it to my HX Stomp. Using the HX, I can send CC commands to the C4, and it's working well.
I assigned in the C4 the following CC :
- 106 : Decrement Preset ;
- 107 : Increment Preset.
But when I send these two CCs with the HX stomp, nothing happens. What are these two commands are supposed to do ? Changing the preset of the C4 right ? If I'm in the preset 3, and I send CC 107 (Increment Preset), the C4 is supposed to switch to preset 4, right ? If I send CC 105 (Toggle Bypass) the C4 correctly respond, but not the 106/107.
Any clue ? What am I missing ?
Here are screenshots of midi assignments, both in C4, and in the HX Stomp.
I assigned in the C4 the following CC :
- 106 : Decrement Preset ;
- 107 : Increment Preset.
But when I send these two CCs with the HX stomp, nothing happens. What are these two commands are supposed to do ? Changing the preset of the C4 right ? If I'm in the preset 3, and I send CC 107 (Increment Preset), the C4 is supposed to switch to preset 4, right ? If I send CC 105 (Toggle Bypass) the C4 correctly respond, but not the 106/107.
Any clue ? What am I missing ?
Here are screenshots of midi assignments, both in C4, and in the HX Stomp.
