source audio c4

[Gibs210]

And can you remind me if that is true for just the C4 and newer One Series, or could it work with, say, an Aftershock as well?

It could work with older models, but they won’t be able to access the internal presets via midi like with the C4 and newer.

 

[Adamixoye]

It could work with older models, but they won’t be able to access the internal presets via midi like with the C4 and newer.

Right - I understood the preset situation. Thanks.

 

[Medicine Man]

Just picked one of these up. What a great piece of gear. Ive been dreaming about something like this for a while. It took a couple hours to get the thing set up right for me, and i will say it is demanding on playing technique and patch setup if you want good tracking. This pedal is the stuff, but it isnt really plug and play, imho, and i erased all the stock presets already. You will need to spend time in the editor, even if you understand synthesis, but you will be rewarded for it. My octave and filter are now homeless but thats just the beginning. Cant stop smiling, cant wait to bust it out at rehearsal. If you play any amount of pop, edm or randb, this thing is a game changer. Nice.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Just picked one of these up. What a great piece of gear. Ive been dreaming about something like this for a while. It took a couple hours to get the thing set up right for me, and i will say it is demanding on playing technique and patch setup if you want good tracking. This pedal is the stuff, but it isnt really plug and play, imho, and i erased all the stock presets already. You will need to spend time in the editor, even if you understand synthesis, but you will be rewarded for it. My octave and filter are now homeless but thats just the beginning. Cant stop smiling, cant wait to bust it out at rehearsal. If you play any amount of pop, edm or randb, this thing is a game changer. Nice.

Do you mean dreaming about a synth pedal in general? (They’ve been around a while.) Or did you mean this specific set of features?

I love this piece in reverb in which pedal builders were asked which pedal by another builder they wish they’d created themselves. This was Roger’s (pre-C4) pick:

 

[fivestringgecko]

+1, Nothing but class from @rsmith601 and the team at Source Audio.

5sg.

 

[Medicine Man]

Do you mean dreaming about a synth pedal in general? (They’ve been around a while.) Or did you mean this specific set of features?

I love this piece in reverb in which pedal builders were asked which pedal by another builder they wish they’d created themselves. This was Roger’s (pre-C4) pick:
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The feature set specifically. Future Impact/Deep Impact were fantastic, but certainly less affordable for working level people like myself. Other synth pedals Ive tried fall short in the tracking department, imho. I would certainly feel uncomfortable stomping on a vintage deep impact on a dark stage with beers flying everywhere. The C4 has a poweful software/engine combination that makes it easy to engineer a sound and stuff it right on your pedalboard at a price point and form factor that just works for live gigs.

 

[Quatschmacher]

The feature set specifically. Future Impact/Deep Impact were fantastic, but certainly less affordable for working level people like myself. Other synth pedals Ive tried fall short in the tracking department, imho. I would certainly feel uncomfortable stomping on a vintage deep impact on a dark stage with beers flying everywhere. The C4 has a poweful software/engine combination that makes it easy to engineer a sound and stuff it right on your pedalboard at a price point and form factor that just works for live gigs.

Depending on your location, they are about the same cost now (FI as opposed to DI; I’ve no idea why anyone would buy the DI now as it’s overpriced and the FI does all it did and more). FI has a big footprint but my friend, @GisserD solved that one. The C4 definitely wins on ease-of-use as Source Audio’s cloud platform is super slick. Still worth having both pedals in my humble opinion as they can easily cover very different sonic territory. Actually, at some point I plan on trying to run the FI in the C4’s loop so I can have 3+ identical waveforms and PWM whilst taking advantage of the C4’s vast array of filter choices and the sequencer. Might blow my tiny mind though.

 

[Medicine Man]

Depending on your location, they are about the same cost now (FI as opposed to DI; I’ve no idea why anyone would buy the DI now as it’s overpriced and the FI does all it did and more). FI has a big footprint but my friend, @GisserD solved that one. The C4 definitely wins on ease-of-use as Source Audio’s cloud platform is super slick. Still worth having both pedals in my humble opinion as they can easily cover very different sonic territory. Actually, at some point I plan on trying to run the FI in the C4’s loop so I can have 3+ identical waveforms and PWM whilst taking advantage of the C4’s vast array of filter choices and the sequencer. Might blow my tiny mind though.

Would be sick, for sure.

 

[Wretched Banana]

Depending on your location, they are about the same cost now (FI as opposed to DI; I’ve no idea why anyone would buy the DI now as it’s overpriced and the FI does all it did and more). FI has a big footprint but my friend, @GisserD solved that one. The C4 definitely wins on ease-of-use as Source Audio’s cloud platform is super slick. Still worth having both pedals in my humble opinion as they can easily cover very different sonic territory. Actually, at some point I plan on trying to run the FI in the C4’s loop so I can have 3+ identical waveforms and PWM whilst taking advantage of the C4’s vast array of filter choices and the sequencer. Might blow my tiny mind though.

Are there patches among the bazillion samples you've posted for C4 and FI that you can point to that highlight the differences? I mean, I know that the filters on C4 vs envelope settings on FI are quite different, but it'd be nice to see how that plays out in practice, e.g., something you posted for FI that cannot be approximated on the C4?

Edit: For full disclosure, I now have the C4. I previously had the FI but back then had no clue how synthesis worked, so that was a missed opportunity to explore it. Looking for an excuse to buy it again.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Are there patches among the bazillion samples you've posted for C4 and FI that you can point to that highlight the differences? I mean, I know that the filters on C4 vs envelope settings on FI are quite different, but it'd be nice to see how that plays out in practice, e.g., something you posted for FI that cannot be approximated on the C4?

Edit: For full disclosure, I now have the C4. I previously had the FI but back then had no clue how synthesis worked, so that was a missed opportunity to explore it. Looking for an excuse to buy it again.

I don’t want to detail the thread too much but here a couple of clips which cannot be done on C4 (and for fairness, I’ll post some clips of stuff that C4 can do that FI cannot).

Using a square wave LFO to modulate to specific pitches (it’s possible I might be able to do this using the C4’s sequencers though, I might give that a go tonight):
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/b21qLeQUi3NgsrdTA

3 simultaneous square waves:
Three Square Meals KBD

Heavy simultaneous oscillator vibrato:
QM Flashlight V3 8

Narrow pulse square wave:
QM Ain't Nobody 2a

4-oscillator Hammond B3 sound. (I fudged this with filtered triangle waves; sine waves would be better, which C4 has but you can only have two of them.):
QM B3 6

Routing the ADSR envelope to the pitch of an oscillator:
QM FM - A-like 1 - 3

Again, routing envelope to pitch:


I’ll dig through and post some C4-is-superior patches shortly.

 

[Quatschmacher]

And here is stuff that C4 can do that the FI can’t touch:

Auto harmonisation and dual processors:
Alter The Dragon 5

Dual processors and sequencer:
Pandas Don't Do Porn 4

Simultaneous high and low pass filtering, and did I mention the sequencers?:
The President's Egg Hunt 1d

Can’t overstate how cool dual processors and sequencers are:
QM FM Phuckery 6b

Multiple filter options. Here parallel dual and triple low pass filters:
QM Tom Sawyer 1 & 2

Frequency Modulation (FM) synthesis:
Always Save Your Work, Kids! 2

Easy access to negative filter envelopes and dual filter models:
QM Pony 2

Lovely built in phasers and dirt models:
Set Phasers To Kill 2

Fantastic envelope filters (FI can do it but it takes more programming nous to do well and you have to mess with the global note-on level to get a decent response; SA implementation is better in this regard):
C4-Micro-Tron IV

Ability to route external pedals through the filters whilst preserving input dynamics:


...and then even be able to cop the sounds of those external pedals!:

 

[Quatschmacher]

Using a square wave LFO to modulate to specific pitches (it’s possible I might be able to do this using the C4’s sequencers though, I might give that a go tonight):
Sus Twinkle

I managed it but decided to use the tremolo function on the C4 to get there. Check my feed and download them ("Sus Twinkle"):
Neuro Community by Source Audio

 

[bassbrad]

@Quatschmacher I just never dug the DI all that much, I was able to recreate all the sounds and better on my Zoom B2, so I cannot get interested in the FI no matter how I try.
I love all my synth pedals SA C4 , EHX BassMicroSynth, Synth9,"Mel9, Digitech BMS, and there are others that are peaking my interest once I have play money , perhaps a used FI....

 

[Quatschmacher]

@Quatschmacher I just never dug the DI all that much, I was able to recreate all the sounds and better on my Zoom B2, so I cannot get interested in the FI no matter how I try.
I love all my synth pedals SA C4 , EHX BassMicroSynth, Synth9,"Mel9, Digitech BMS, and there are others that are peaking my interest once I have play money , perhaps a used FI....

The FI is light years beyond the DI and, although it can faithfully reproduce the original 9 DI patches, it does so much more than that with full control over hundreds of parameters. Also, the v3 update added loads of new functionality so if you haven't checked it out since then, I'd strongly recommend you do. Here are a bunch of clips of patches I made for it.

Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Back on topic...

 

[Smallmouth_Bass]

I don’t want to detail the thread too much but here a couple of clips which cannot be done on C4 (and for fairness, I’ll post some clips of stuff that C4 can do that FI cannot).

Using a square wave LFO to modulate to specific pitches (it’s possible I might be able to do this using the C4’s sequencers though, I might give that a go tonight):
Sus Twinkle

3 simultaneous square waves:
Three Square Meals KBD

Heavy simultaneous oscillator vibrato:
QM Flashlight V3 8

Narrow pulse square wave:
QM Ain't Nobody 2a

4-oscillator Hammond B3 sound. (I fudged this with filtered triangle waves; sine waves would be better, which C4 has but you can only have two of them.):
QM B3 6

Routing the ADSR envelope to the pitch of an oscillator:
QM FM - A-like 1 - 3

Again, routing envelope to pitch:


I’ll dig through and post some C4-is-superior patches shortly.

I just noticed these are the Future Impact sounds.
I was hoping to get the awesome Ain't Nobody and Flashlight sounds on the C4!

 

[Quatschmacher]

I just noticed these are the Future Impact sounds.
I was hoping to get the awesome Ain't Nobody and Flashlight sounds on the C4!

Ain’t Nobody isn’t doable as there’s no narrow pulse wave on C4.

I have, however, done a pretty decent version of Flashlight for C4 (search my feed) - the pitch vibrato (via expression pedal) isn’t as strong as on the FI but it’s perfectly useable.

 

[jkazam]

Dumb question.

I have patches saved to my library on the neuro app. How can I save adjustments to the master settings, say the output volume?

I want to keep the volume even between patches and other effects without having to go into the settings to adjust every time I use a patch.

 

[sunbeast]

Dumb question.

I have patches saved to my library on the neuro app. How can I save adjustments to the master settings, say the output volume?

I want to keep the volume even between patches and other effects without having to go into the settings to adjust every time I use a patch.

Paraphrased from the manual:
Under the “Hardware Options” in the Neuro app/desktop go under Preset options and select “Preset Mode”. In this mode you can adjust the knob settings on the pedal of a selected preset (including Master Volume) then re-save the preset with the adjusted values by holding the footswitch for 5 seconds (until the center light stops blinking)

 

[Witness412]

Depending on your location, they are about the same cost now (FI as opposed to DI; I’ve no idea why anyone would buy the DI now as it’s overpriced and the FI does all it did and more). FI has a big footprint but my friend, @GisserD solved that one. The C4 definitely wins on ease-of-use as Source Audio’s cloud platform is super slick. Still worth having both pedals in my humble opinion as they can easily cover very different sonic territory. Actually, at some point I plan on trying to run the FI in the C4’s loop so I can have 3+ identical waveforms and PWM whilst taking advantage of the C4’s vast array of filter choices and the sequencer. Might blow my tiny mind though.

I run my FI in the C4 effects loop. I love it! But don't believe you can use the sequencer from c4 on the FI input. I could be wrong. But I didnt see it as an option.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I run my FI in the C4 effects loop. I love it! But don't believe you can use the sequencer from c4 on the FI input. I could be wrong. But I didnt see it as an option.

I didn’t mean use the sequencer to trigger the FI, rather to run them in parallel. (Potentially you could output the C4 sequencer audio to output 2 and have the audio trigger the FI’s own pitch detector circuit, but the non-retriggering sequencer envelopes would make note-on/off points difficult to detect; I have found ways around this though which I have used in some of my C4 sequencer patches.)