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@Wretched Banana you may have missed prior discussions about development where Mr Chidlaw informed us that the software is using nearly every byte and bit already to do the marvelous processing it does in the C4 and asking anything more at this point would entail an entirely new design at a significantly higher price point. I for one am very happy to deal with the C4 after awaiting something this marvelous since dabbling in electronic music in the seventies.
 
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Wretched Banana said:
Sorry but I don't see how this is not trivial. It's matter of adding a toggle to the app to let the user choose whether they want their own sensitivity settings to apply vs. let the patch override it. It won't magically make all patches play beautifully (e.g., those written for guitar will still fail), but it'll give you 2 things: 1) More patches will play correctly than they do now, 2) users will get to control how the system fails on the unhappy path.
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I can certainly see the utility of this feature in concept. Yes it would be nice if one could browse sounds and never worry about tracking or envelope sensitivity by locking those controls in the hardware setting menu.

It is not so simple. The envelope sensitivity and (to a somewhat lesser extent) the pitch tracking are integral to a particular sound even if it's the same bass player and the same instrument. For example, it is unlikely that any C4 user library has the same settings across all of their presets. Jesse very deliberately did not include this feature in the hardware setting list. Also note that lots of people on this forum participated in the feature set of this pedal and the software.

I would also note that adding anything is not simple, especially now that code space on the DSP and the Micro are so low. Plus, we need to add this across 4 different platforms, perform lots of testing to ensure we did not break anything, and then roll out an update across all those platforms.

We obviously think long and hard about things that are HARDWARE settings and things that are PER PRESET, and if something should be overridden.
 
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rsmith601 said:
The envelope sensitivity and (to a somewhat lesser extent) the pitch tracking are integral to a particular sound even if it's the same bass player and the same instrument. For example, it is unlikely that any C4 user library has the same settings across all of their presets. Jesse very deliberately did not include this feature in the hardware setting list. Also note that lots of people on this forum participated in the feature set of this pedal and the software.
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^ That makes more sense. If you have data and this was a deliberate decision I have no objections.

In any case, what I proposed was something way less ambitious than what folks seem to think, and it wouldn't require changes to anything running in the box but just the app. I'm in the process of implementing this for my personal use, a binary patch specifically for the Windows app to rewrite downloaded patches with my settings where appropriate. @rsmith601 if I'm allowed to share the patch with the community I'll do so. Please let me know. (Edit: on second thought, that has the potential to cause you support and warranty headaches, so no sharing.)
 
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Wretched Banana said:
^ That makes more sense. If you have data and this was a deliberate decision I have no objections.

In any case, what I proposed was something way less ambitious than what folks seem to think, and it wouldn't require changes to anything running in the box but just the app. I'm in the process of implementing this for my personal use, a binary patch specifically for the Windows app to rewrite downloaded patches with my settings where appropriate. @rsmith601 if I'm allowed to share the patch with the community I'll do so. Please let me know. (Edit: on second thought, that has the potential to cause you support and warranty headaches, so no sharing.)
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Oh, you touched on something I forgot. We constantly support the buyers of used pedals and need to diagnose that a prior owner set something a particular way. Yes, it's easy to just tell them to do a factory reset, but often folks to not reveal to us that it's not a new pedal, and we waste hours getting to the bottom of something simple while the owner is busy going public with the claim that their new pedal is not working right. Hardware options need extra care over per preset options.
With all my reticence stated, I am very curious to hear how your experiment works. In a sense, it's a new C4 preset browsing mode option. Yes, this could be created without hardware changes, but it is still would take significant work to integrate it into the Neuro ecosystem. I know it seems silly, but it's not an engineering tool as it was in the beginning. Supporting 4 different platforms is awful, but we have no choice and people still rip us when Neuro does not work correctly on something like Windows 95. Oh to just make a dumb analog pedal !!! Please keep us updated on how it works.
 
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Hey folks, I'm about to join the club, just ordered a C4. I wanted to ask something while I'm waiting, I have a Kemper, will I be able to control the C4 with the Kemper? It has the standard DIN midi output and input, I see the C4 uses a mini USB for midi, I never had a pedal like that, the only other midi pedal I owned was an Eventide H9 and it had DIN as well. Are there DIN to mini USB cables? Any specific suggestions for what I would need to connect them? Thanks!
 
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Dragonlord said:
Hey folks, I'm about to join the club, just ordered a C4. I wanted to ask something while I'm waiting, I have a Kemper, will I be able to control the C4 with the Kemper? It has the standard DIN midi output and input, I see the C4 uses a mini USB for midi, I never had a pedal like that, the only other midi pedal I owned was an Eventide H9 and it had DIN as well. Are there DIN to mini USB cables? Any specific suggestions for what I would need to connect them? Thanks!
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Not without a usb host. Otherwise yes, with the host you should be able to control it.
 
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Dragonlord said:
So, something like that? https://www.thomann.de/gr/miditech_usb_midi_host.htm
Any cheaper alternatives?
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I haven't heard of people using that particular host adaptor, but seems like it should work. The more common one that I know works is the DMC: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
All of the DMC gen. 3 MIDI controllers have Host functionality built-in too, so it may also be worthwhile considering something like the DMC Micro: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] which could work as a stand-alone MIDI controller for multiple devices or as additional control/interfacing with your Kemper.
The other option is to use the Source Audio Neuro Hub for your MIDI interface (in this case the Kemper will send MIDI to the Hub, which will control the C4 using the proprietary SA data connection via the C4 control input rather than the USB port). The Neuro Hub adds some extra functionality in the use of "scenes" vs just a simple USB HHost interface
 
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Those non disaster area designs host adaptors look like they are taylored towards computer use due to the fact they are usb powered.

The doremidi has a USB B connector that provides power. I think they provide a USB DC5V power adaptor for it if you are not plugging it in to a computer. I would avoid this one due to the proprietary external psu setup.

The miditech device uses what might be USB mini b for power, which would require a usb wall wart. If you don't mind the extra wall wart then that could work.

The disaster area designs models are made for pedalboards, their power needs are met with standard 9volt power supplies.
 
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Modulus 96 said:
Those non disaster area designs host adaptors look like they are taylored towards computer use due to the fact they are usb powered.

The doremidi has a USB B connector that provides power. I think they provide a USB DC5V power adaptor for it if you are not plugging it in to a computer. I would avoid this one due to the proprietary external psu setup.

The miditech device uses what might be USB mini b for power, which would require a usb wall wart. If you don't mind the extra wall wart then that could work.

The disaster area designs models are made for pedalboards, their power needs are met with standard 9volt power supplies.
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Yes, you´re right about the USB power adaptor in the doremi device. Since my power supply offers a USB power output it was an easy integration for me...

Cheers
 
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The only other hosts that we know work, are the one from midiplus (which is the cheapest, but quite large), and the one from Kenton. We haven’t tested any others beyond those.
 
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Gibs210 said:
The only other hosts that we know work, are the one from midiplus (which is the cheapest, but quite large), and the one from Kenton. We haven’t tested any others beyond those.
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This hasn't even been released yet. I have their WIDI Master product. I take it that the WIDI Host is supposed to be capable of being a USB host, and send standard MIDI over USB. So I wouldn't expect you to know details or have tested it specifically, I'm curious if it should work in principle.
 
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Adamixoye said:
This hasn't even been released yet. I have their WIDI Master product. I take it that the WIDI Host is supposed to be capable of being a USB host, and send standard MIDI over USB. So I wouldn't expect you to know details or have tested it specifically, I'm curious if it should work in principle.
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If it acts as a host, then in theory, yes, it should work.
 

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