Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[OhulahanBass]

Have not seen your avatar in a while!!!

Yeah, satisfaction in my bass rig had me turn my obsession toward synths and production gear. Spectrum pulled me back in! I’ll preorder ASAP when you all are ready.

Im a little concerned with how clicky the oscillators sound. Perhaps it was the video quality or how low Nathan had the pitch set. In the Namm vids especially, there isn’t allot of harmonic heft present like I prefer in a subtractive synth. Minitaur is great example of a beefy VCO. The FM engine sounds amazing, I already have a very specific task I would like to use it for.

SA filters are some of my favorites, add analog modeling and FM synth with amazing tracking and this just might be my new favorite pedal.

 

[rsmith601]

I owned a Helix for a long time (and an HX Effects). Our versatility charts may be scaled a little differently. Don't fool yourself into thinking people don't like it because they just don't understand it. It just isn't for everyone. And that's ok.

I don't want to argue, but I also don't want the downsides to be viewed as illegitimate or just a misunderstanding. Even if they don't go with my preferred solution of a multi, maybe they can come up with an innovative solution or new product.

There is not really a perfect solution for everyone, so alternative points of view are welcome!

 

[ChubbyJerk]

There is not really a perfect solution for everyone, so alternative points of view are welcome!

Appreciated. You're extremely open and forthcoming and receptive to other viewpoints.

 

[Wito]

Oh maaaan, I'm so much going to get one of these new filters as soon as they are available in Europe
Too bad the jacks are not top mounted; my board is already super-crowded... whatever, I'll make it fit somehow!

 

[rsmith601]

Yeah, satisfaction in my bass rig had me turn my obsession toward synths and production gear. Spectrum pulled me back in! I’ll preorder ASAP when you all are ready.

Im a little concerned with how clicky the oscillators sound. Perhaps it was the video quality or how low Nathan had the pitch set. In the Namm vids especially, there isn’t allot of harmonic heft present like I prefer in a subtractive synth. Minitaur is great example of a beefy VCO. The FM engine sounds amazing, I already have a very specific task I would like to use it for.

SA filters are some of my favorites, add analog modeling and FM synth with amazing tracking and this just might be my new favorite pedal.

Nathan thinks you are hearing the strings being picked up by the phone mics directly. The videos also really do not capture the warmth of the tone either. We need to get this thing out of the lab and into your hands so you can test yourself!

 

[smeet]

Nathan thinks you are hearing the strings being picked up by the phone mics directly. The videos also really do not capture the warmth of the tone either. We need to get this thing out of the lab and into your hands so you can test yourself!

Dude, get it out of the lab and into my hands. That way I can test it myself.

 

[OhulahanBass]

Nathan thinks you are hearing the strings being picked up by the phone mics directly. The videos also really do not capture the warmth of the tone either. We need to get this thing out of the lab and into your hands so you can test yourself!

Agreed, I’m ready!

I’d even buy a beta unit assuming any final tweaks will be firmware.

 

[Hugsonic]

Me too. Bring it on.

 

[cosmicevan]

When do you think these will be available to general public?

 

[LSMFT6]

When do you think these will be available to general public?

April/May is what I’m hearing.

 

[benevan]

I know a number of people mentioned wanting a Nemesis/Ventris enclosure for the C4 Synth architecture. Musing for a bit, when I first heard that the C4 Synth would be comprised of 2 pedals with a unified architecture, a different thought had crossed my mind than 2 almost identical pedals.

I had thought about both pedals (Elevon and Spectrum) being 2 parts of a whole. Granted 2 pedals doesn't save space compared to a Nemesis/Ventris, but it does allow for more flexibility of placement.

I had imagined the Spectrum with what it has now minus 1 filter section and the polyphonic mode and the Elevon minus 1 filter section. In this manner, more processing could be used on the Elevon to focus on a legit polyphonic mode. Both pedals would still stand up well on their own, but be even more powerful together and could be edited as a single pedal in the Neuro app.

I think there is room in the market for a super pitch pedal and would love to see something from SA. I think this was the original intention for the Elevon, but the community over on TGP really pushed for polyphony and so SA back tracked a bit? I still believe a good monophonic pitch pedal could be of value - especially for bass - but any pitch pedal is going to draw comparisons from competitive products by EHX, Digitech, TCE, which are all polyphonic and could negatively impact sales for SA.

Perhaps SA could consider something like how the Vertigo relates to the Lunar/Mercury/Gemini - while the modulators all have tremolo, the Vertigo takes tremolo to the next level. And so while the Elevon/Spectrum have pitch functionality, a dedicated pitch pedal could go much further. The market has been pining for a super pitch pedal for some time now.

 

[Adamixoye]

I think there is room in the market for a super pitch pedal and would love to see something from SA. I think this was the original intention for the Elevon, but the community over on TGP really pushed for polyphony and so SA back tracked a bit? I still believe a good monophonic pitch pedal could be of value - especially for bass - but any pitch pedal is going to draw comparisons from competitive products by EHX, Digitech, TCE, which are all polyphonic and could negatively impact sales for SA.

Perhaps SA could consider something like how the Vertigo relates to the Lunar/Mercury/Gemini - while the modulators all have tremolo, the Vertigo takes tremolo to the next level. And so while the Elevon/Spectrum have pitch functionality, a dedicated pitch pedal could go much further. The market has been pining for a super pitch pedal for some time now.

The discussion over on TGP simultaneously was pushing for polyphony while a few members also pooh-poohed the idea of a "super pitch pedal." I agree with you; I'm dying for an ultimate pitch pedal; basically, I would love to see someone figure out the tracking/sound quality/latency of the Digitech Drop combined with a broader H9/HOG/Whammy suite of effects/pitches/functionality. Seems like it would be possible and that there would be a market for it; I think your idea of how such a hypothetical product by SA could relate to the C4 series in the same way that the Vertigo relates to the modulation series is pretty brilliant! Even if it's not SA I really hope someone tackles this in the next couple of years.

 

[Abe-of-Bass]

The biggest drawback to the One series pedals is the lack of ability to physically manipulate the wealth of settings within. Using the app is nice, but a lot of times a small tweak or adjustments is wanted/needed, and I would love to be able to turn a physical knob and hear the impact. Obviously there are way too many parameters for knobs, and the pedal format is great, but what about a separate unit (probably an upgraded Hub) that has multiple assignable knobs that could be used for any attached One series pedal? You could then have one control device and assign it to whichever connected pedal needs the deeper knob tweaking?

 

[Fiset]

I owned a Helix for a long time (and an HX Effects). Our versatility charts may be scaled a little differently. Don't fool yourself into thinking people don't like it because they just don't understand it. It just isn't for everyone. And that's ok.

I don't want to argue, but I also don't want the downsides to be viewed as illegitimate or just a misunderstanding. Even if they don't go with my preferred solution of a multi, maybe they can come up with an innovative solution or new product.

My versality chart is exactly that...mine...and I stand by it without commenting (or really caring, if I’m being honest) about your helix experience as one has no bearing on the other.

Never said I was speaking for you (or even about you) but I’ve been around these parts a long time and read many many posts that indicate there are plenty who haven’t taken the time to fully understand the products...many admit as much. If that’s not you then my opinion on that front doesn’t apply to you. But because it doesn’t apply to you doesn’t mean I’ve been “fooling myself” into thinking it doesn’t apply to anyone.

Just to be ultra (and likely unnecessarily) clear, of course it’s okay if people find the SA ecosystem is not for them. I never said otherwise - and opining that not everyone takes the time to dive deep into the power of the system is not at all the same thing as saying that is the *only* reason people don’t like the product. The purpose of my post was to show my clear, unwavering support for the One Series ecosystem and at the same time perhaps give those who haven’t dived deep but are still interested, a nudge. You may have a different purpose (wanting SA to innovate in a different direction, for example). And yeah, that’s totally fine.

 

[smeet]

The biggest drawback to the One series pedals is the lack of ability to physically manipulate the wealth of settings within. Using the app is nice, but a lot of times a small tweak or adjustments is wanted/needed, and I would love to be able to turn a physical knob and hear the impact. Obviously there are way too many parameters for knobs, and the pedal format is great, but what about a separate unit (probably an upgraded Hub) that has multiple assignable knobs that could be used for any attached One series pedal? You could then have one control device and assign it to whichever connected pedal needs the deeper knob tweaking?

Yes! Or, maybe SA could put out another line with more knobs, call it, oh I don’t know, sound blobs or something.


Oh wait...

 

[Johnny Mac]

And the Soleman is another under-talked about product that is extremely simple yet massively useful.

I've been secretly hoping for a Source Audio version of the Boss MS-3, but given they don't seem to be interested in a multi-effect, I'd settle for a loop switching version of the Soleman, preferably with Hub capability built in.

This might be reaching, but if they were able to implement some basic tone shaping (built in programmable EQ, maybe with low/high-pass filtering added), it would immediately result in several things on my board being replaced.

 

[Basshappi]

We thought it was practical and effective (we are engineers, what do we know?). But, way too many people said it was ugly and complicated. SB2 is on the way to being dead.

Does this mean that future versions of the editor will not support SB2 programing?
Please say it ain't so.

 

[Melvin7822]

The biggest drawback to the One series pedals is the lack of ability to physically manipulate the wealth of settings within. Using the app is nice, but a lot of times a small tweak or adjustments is wanted/needed, and I would love to be able to turn a physical knob and hear the impact. Obviously there are way too many parameters for knobs, and the pedal format is great, but what about a separate unit (probably an upgraded Hub) that has multiple assignable knobs that could be used for any attached One series pedal? You could then have one control device and assign it to whichever connected pedal needs the deeper knob tweaking?

I'll also add that it's very difficult at times to make precise adjustments in the app. If all of the hidden parameters that you have to dive into the app for were MIDI programmable, I'd easily have an interface up and running in MIDI Designer Pro.

 

[Adamixoye]

I'll also add that it's very difficult at times to make precise adjustments in the app. If all of the hidden parameters that you have to dive into the app for were MIDI programmable, I'd easily have an interface up and running in MIDI Designer Pro.

Yaaaasssssss

 

[Melvin7822]

Having a Yamaha TX802 that I prefer to keep at home, I was excited at the prospect of FM synthesis within C4 Synth line. However, from all of the videos, I've never heard anything beyond the bass acting as a modifier to a single operator. Will this be able to do legit 4-operator FM synthesis with a selection of algorithms?