Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[fivestringgecko]

The biggest drawback to the One series pedals is the lack of ability to physically manipulate the wealth of settings within. Using the app is nice, but a lot of times a small tweak or adjustments is wanted/needed, and I would love to be able to turn a physical knob and hear the impact. Obviously there are way too many parameters for knobs, and the pedal format is great, but what about a separate unit (probably an upgraded Hub) that has multiple assignable knobs that could be used for any attached One series pedal? You could then have one control device and assign it to whichever connected pedal needs the deeper knob tweaking?

I only had my Aftershock for a brief time, and don't quite remember the functionality of the Neuro App... Do the Neuro editors (both app and desktop) edit in real time? Or do you have to edit and then load the sound to the pedal to hear the difference? That's one thing I really like about the PC editor for the Future Impact, it changes the sound in real time.

And an interesting thought, a Neuro "expansion box."

5sg.

 

[LSMFT6]

I only had my Aftershock for a brief time, and don't quite remember the functionality of the Neuro App... Do the Neuro editors (both app and desktop) edit in real time? Or do you have to edit and then load the sound to the pedal to hear the difference? That's one thing I really like about the PC editor for the Future Impact, it changes the sound in real time.

And an interesting thought, a Neuro "expansion box."

5sg.

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Real-time editing.
Cool mock-up, I’m sure I’ve heard Roger talk about that concept before but can’t remember exactly what he said.

 

[primussucks9126]

Hey everyone. I'm thinking about switching over to Source Audio stuff, but I have some questions.

1. The lunar, mercury, and gemini are all the same pedal, just housed differently amd shipped with different settings, correct? Same with the kingmaker, LA lady and aftershock?

2. Does the nemesis do things an analog delay does when you twist the knobs with it on? I don't know the technical term, oscillating?

3. Is the pitch part of the spectrum going to be capable of oc-2ish sounds?

I'm about to order an aftershock to dip my toes in the water and see how I like it.

This is my planned board

Thanks!

 

[benevan]

I only had my Aftershock for a brief time, and don't quite remember the functionality of the Neuro App... Do the Neuro editors (both app and desktop) edit in real time? Or do you have to edit and then load the sound to the pedal to hear the difference? That's one thing I really like about the PC editor for the Future Impact, it changes the sound in real time.

And an interesting thought, a Neuro "expansion box."

5sg.

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The editors do edit in real time.

There has been some discussion on TGP about a Neuro Expander box, but not quite the same as what you have proposed. Basically it would give the smaller 1series boxes similar functionality as the Ventris/Nemisis boxes without the need for a HUB - dedicated 5-pin midi, expression jack, assignable footswitch (tap tempo, channel select, hold, etc.). Of course including assignable knobs on this expander would be beneficial, but it adds to the complexity of the design, impacting cost and subsequent market size.

Invalid Link Removed makes something similar for the Eventide and Whammy pedals, so perhaps a 3rd party may be able to offer something like this?

 

[rsmith601]

I only had my Aftershock for a brief time, and don't quite remember the functionality of the Neuro App... Do the Neuro editors (both app and desktop) edit in real time? Or do you have to edit and then load the sound to the pedal to hear the difference? That's one thing I really like about the PC editor for the Future Impact, it changes the sound in real time.

And an interesting thought, a Neuro "expansion box."

5sg.

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@benevan is right that we need a 3rd party like "EvenMidi" to take on a project like this. This sort of expansion box would cost us perhaps $30,000 to develop. The parts and cost to assemble would be in the $35 range. I suspect people believe it is simple and should cost no more than $150. This means we sell it to US dealers for $90 and international dealers at $70. The average of those 2 is about $80. That means we make $45 per unit. We would need to sell 666 to cover just our cost to develop, and this does nothing to help pay for the rent, utilities, local taxes, US taxes, salaries, insurance, NAMM, healthcare of the support team and all other endless costs of running a business.
If we do any kind of expansion box, it must be simple and sell in high volume …..or enable the sales of other SA products to sell in higher volume. Sorry for the long explanation, but I want to be very transparent.
It is vital for the C4 products to ride on top of the investment and infrastructure that we have already invested $$$ to create (Neuro Desktop, Neuro Mobile, Hub). The Desktop and the pedal are really easy to use, it is what Nathan uses to create all of his sounds on C4.

 

[rsmith601]

Does this mean that future versions of the editor will not support SB2 programing?
Please say it ain't so.

There is support to SB2 in the next version of the Desktop Editor.

 

[Adamixoye]

We would need to sell 666

 

[fivestringgecko]

@benevan is right that we need a 3rd party like "EvenMidi" to take on a project like this. This sort of expansion box would cost us perhaps $30,000 to develop. The parts and cost to assemble would be in the $35 range. I suspect people believe it is simple and should cost no more than $150. This means we sell it to US dealers for $90 and international dealers at $70. The average of those 2 is about $80. That means we make $45 per unit. We would need to sell 666 to cover just our cost to develop, and this does nothing to help pay for the rent, utilities, local taxes, US taxes, salaries, insurance, NAMM, healthcare of the support team and all other endless costs of running a business.
If we do any kind of expansion box, it must be simple and sell in high volume …..or enable the sales of other SA products to sell in higher volume. Sorry for the long explanation, but I want to be very transparent.
It is vital for the C4 products to ride on top of the investment and infrastructure that we have already invested $$$ to create (Neuro Desktop, Neuro Mobile, Hub). The Desktop and the pedal are really easy to use, it is what Nathan uses to create all of his sounds on C4.

Thanks for the explanation @rsmith601. I certainly wasn't suggesting that a box like that should be cheap, and understand (sort of) the amount of development that would require... I was just killing time with Photoshop before rehearsal. I don't remember having trouble with the Neuro App, and have had good experience with the editor for the FI, so I can't see having any issues with the Desktop for the Spectrum. I'm a filter junkie and have been digging into synth lately, so I'm very much looking forward to getting my hands on one!

Thanks for all your hard work, and staying in such close contact with your community!

5sg.

 

[4Mal]

Hey everyone. I'm thinking about switching over to Source Audio stuff, but I have some questions.

I'm about to order an aftershock to dip my toes in the water and see how I like it.

Thanks!

If you are at all a filter .guy, add a Manta to that order... it is a wonderful thing.

There is support to SB2 in the next version of the Desktop Editor.

Thank You!

 

[primussucks9126]

If you are at all a filter .guy, add a Manta to that order... it is a wonderful thing.

Isn't the new spectrum going to be everything the Manta is and more?

 

[SirTarquin]

Is there (or could there be) a way to preview the sounds we create through the Neuro editor for those of us whose desktop set up is in a place not at all advantageous for our instrument set up? I realize this might be inconsequential to most, but huge for someone like me whose desktop currently can only be in the left hand corner of a small room.

 

[FullTime Tim]

@benevan Sorry for the long explanation, but I want to be very transparent.

I for one think this is one of the reasons that Source Audio is doing well. You take the time to listen to what users want and jump into the dialog as well. We see people throwing out every little "wouldn't it be nice" because as a company you've executed so many things. I'm glad that you're willing to flesh things out like this to point out how much thought, development and cost goes into everything you do. Thanks for being good at all aspects of running and growing a great company!

 

[Melvin7822]

@rsmith601 I noticed a number of One Series pedals have controls that can be found in the Neuro app that still can't be mapped to MIDI. Out of the pedals I own, my Aftershock is the worst offender. Will the rest of the missing controls be added to the MIDI map for all pedals in the Neuro Desktop app?

Also, the Neuro app has a higher resolution of control values (256 Neuro vs 128 MIDI). So obviously, the One Series pedals are only recognizing 7-bit MIDI CC. Would it be possible to add an option for 14-bit MIDI CC?

 

[Hugsonic]

I for one think this is one of the reasons that Source Audio is doing well. You take the time to listen to what users want and jump into the dialog as well. We see people throwing out every little "wouldn't it be nice" because as a company you've executed so many things. I'm glad that you're willing to flesh things out like this to point out how much thought, development and cost goes into everything you do. Thanks for being good at all aspects of running and growing a great company!

I totally second that I am frankly astonished how much time you put into this and other forums to engage with your customers. Fantastic. Now get off the internet and go fisish that Spectrum filter before the GAS drives us all insane.

 

[4Mal]

Isn't the new spectrum going to be everything the Manta is and more?

Not sure but Spectrum is vapor until it ships. The Manta is (IMO) best filter out there at the moment...

I’ll add a Spectrum when available for the synth sounds. Wil probably keep the Manta on my board to have dedicated filter. Having the editor talk to the Sound Blox 2 pedals will be awesome though. I have the OFD, Orbital Modulator, Prog EQ and Manta with the hub and midi controller. Getting my head wrapped around the midi aspect at the moment. Too much to accomplish, too little time ...

 

[rsmith601]

@rsmith601 I noticed a number of One Series pedals have controls that can be found in the Neuro app that still can't be mapped to MIDI. Out of the pedals I own, my Aftershock is the worst offender. Will the rest of the missing controls be added to the MIDI map for all pedals in the Neuro Desktop app?

Also, the Neuro app has a higher resolution of control values (256 Neuro vs 128 MIDI). So obviously, the One Series pedals are only recognizing 7-bit MIDI CC. Would it be possible to add an option for 14-bit MIDI CC?

No plans to go to high res midi. We try to have all parameters covered via MIDI unless there is some kind of technical barrier that gets in the way. That might have been the case on some things back in the Aftershock. As I recall, extensive midi support came later on that one.

 

[rsmith601]

I totally second that I am frankly astonished how much time you put into this and other forums to engage with your customers. Fantastic. Now get off the internet and go fisish that Spectrum filter before the GAS drives us all insane.

Companies are always boasting that they are "customer focused/customer driven". In most cases they never find meaningful ways to actually pull this off. It winds up being nothing more than a slogan. I am convinced that our time here and on TGP makes Source Audio deeply engaged with customers in an authentic manner. Some of you like to think that there are super-smart wizards at pedal companies who know more than customers. I think this is a fallacy. The best way to innovate is to be smart and clever about how you engage with your customers and the people you want to be your customers. And, that is why I am here.

 

[LSMFT6]

Is it April yet??

The difference between the Bass OFD and the Aftershock is the most exciting prospect about the Spectrum. I really liked the OFD but the Aftershock is just beyond fantastic. I’m already extremely pleased with the Manta and BEF, can’t wait for the Spectrum to further exceed my needs.

 

[adamaarts]

Companies are always boasting that they are "customer focused/customer driven". In most cases they never find meaningful ways to actually pull this off. It winds up being nothing more than a slogan. I am convinced that our time here and on TGP makes Source Audio deeply engaged with customers in an authentic manner. Some of you like to think that there are super-smart wizards at pedal companies who know more than customers. I think this is a fallacy. The best way to innovate is to be smart and clever about how you engage with your customers and the people you want to be your customers. And, that is why I am here.

I don’t know quite what ‘it’ is but you guys have it. I’d say out of all the NAMM booths if I had to take off my shoes and lay down for a bit I’d be most comfortable at your booth.

 

[Hugsonic]

Does anyone know where you can get shorter cables to connect to the hub, 6 or 8 inches say? There's a big old tangle under my board.