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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

#921
If you aren't already, I'd say you guys could make a better cheaper MIDI cntroller, not necessarily with HUB functionality, but something like the MIDI Moose. I would think something like that, that has no audio functions at all would be cheaper, not more expensive, than something of similar size in the effects realm. There doesn't seem to be much options out there at the moment unless you get into crazy routing and all that, but as just a footswitch MIDI controller with a few switches, there could be more competition!!
 
#922
adamaarts said:
If you aren't already, I'd say you guys could make a better cheaper MIDI cntroller, not necessarily with HUB functionality, but something like the MIDI Moose. I would think something like that, that has no audio functions at all would be cheaper, not more expensive, than something of similar size in the effects realm. There doesn't seem to be much options out there at the moment unless you get into crazy routing and all that, but as just a footswitch MIDI controller with a few switches, there could be more competition!!
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And this is what Brett is working on at the moment. Needs an LCD so you can name patches.
 
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#926
rsmith601 said:
Right now it has 5 jacks: INPUT, OUTPUT, to EFFECT, from EFFECT, Multi-Function. It has an ON/OFF switch. Jesse got the true bypass relay to work without needed a separate power source. Since one needs one of these per analog effect, it needs to be really small. Adding MIDI I/O would make it bigger. This point of this thing is adding non-SA and non-MIDI pedals to "scenes". Hope this is clear.
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What would be cool is for you to make them in different versions with 1,2 or say 4 loops. If somone wanted mulitiple pedals hooked to the Hub, 1 would be smaller and neater than 4 smaller boxes, less cables would be needed... both mutli function and patch cables.
 
#927
rsmith601 said:
And this is what Brett is working on at the moment. Needs an LCD so you can name patches.
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Another thought.... The midi mouse is great for its small footprint, but looks promblematic in a live situation. I luckily had an old ADA midi pedal lying aroudn that I've been using. The thing I love most about it compared to most other midi pedals I've seen is that I can access presets 1-10 in one step. Even 5 would be big improvement over the mouse. Hopefully the new midi pedal will have a great layout AND and LCD.... that will be amazing!!!
 
#928
76jazzbass said:
Another thought.... The midi mouse is great for its small footprint, but looks promblematic in a live situation. I luckily had an old ADA midi pedal lying aroudn that I've been using. The thing I love most about it compared to most other midi pedals I've seen is that I can access presets 1-10 in one step. Even 5 would be big improvement over the mouse. Hopefully the new midi pedal will have a great layout AND and LCD.... that will be amazing!!!
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I agree. That is why I went with the midi Moose! Five presets per bank! No fumbling around pulling up patches if you use several different patches in a song. Will be even better with patch name read out as stated. I sometimes forget where all the patches are?????? Getting old!o_O
 
#929
76jazzbass said:
Another thought.... The midi mouse is great for its small footprint, but looks promblematic in a live situation. I luckily had an old ADA midi pedal lying aroudn that I've been using. The thing I love most about it compared to most other midi pedals I've seen is that I can access presets 1-10 in one step. Even 5 would be big improvement over the mouse. Hopefully the new midi pedal will have a great layout AND and LCD.... that will be amazing!!!
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I was initially worried about that same thing, but with the Hub Manager its easy for me to create new scenes and then add them in sequence. Down the road, depending on setlist, its easy to just crank through each change sequentially.

Then again I'm in an originals band, we'd only be doing maybe 10 songs or so in a set, with 2 or 3 changes per song max. Depending what Source Audio comes out with, I'd rather go that route.
 
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#930
NoxNoctus said:
I was initially worried about that same thing, but with the Hub Manager its easy for me to create new scenes and then add them in sequence. Down the road, depending on setlist, its easy to just crank through each change sequentially.

Then again I'm in an originals band, we'd only be doing maybe 10 songs or so in a set, with 2 or 3 changes per song max. Depending what Source Audio comes out with, I'd rather go that route.
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When they release their version I will surely go that route also. All or none so to speak! For now the Midi Moose is the best affordable option to go with. I play in a cover band, and we have a couple originals to boot. Our first set is usually two and a half hours at least. I am able to set up my patches accordingly. One bank Fuzz tones, one bank OD's, Modulations, ect.
 
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#931
I am jealous of the samller foot print hahaha. I still have an old midi pedal because years back I had rack fx for guitar. I grew to hate 'all in one' units and moved onto pedals but I love the blending of the two 'worlds' now. Presets in a cover band make my life much easier. I can't wait to add a couple more SA pedals to the mix.
 
#932
76jazzbass said:
I am jealous of the samller foot print hahaha. I still have an old midi pedal because years back I had rack fx for guitar. I grew to hate 'all in one' units and moved onto pedals but I love the blending of the two 'worlds' now. Presets in a cover band make my life much easier. I can't wait to add a couple more SA pedals to the mix.
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They are great. With the hub editor it is so easy to get the sounds your looking for. I used a Boss GT6 B for years and was always a nightmare to edit patches with buttons which was so confusing and frustrating at times. Also most of the sounds were substandard to say the least. The SA pedals are so quiet and transparent and retain the low end so well, "For bass players it is essential"! Add in the knobs for quick tweaking if needed "It is a no brainer!!" .
 
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#933
I have my Digitech RP-1 coning tomorrow, Hub on Sat, and a Line 6 M5 sometime next week. My plan is to only use the RP-1 for MIDI. I'll run audio starting at the M5 mainly for octaver and EQ, then to OFD, then to Manta. MIDI-wise, the RP-1 can send multiple channels of PC data so the idea is to get the HUB on channel 1, the M5 on channel 2. Then setup patches and scenes from there.

I am reading as much as I can about MIIDI but I feel like I'll understand it better once I actually do it. As of right now I have no freaking clue what I am doing, or if it will work the way I am envisioning it. I know what I want to end up with, but hopefully I'll be able to wrap my head around the actualy process. The Hub part seems fine, but adding the M5 along with it is the part I am thinking will be more difficult.

Anyway, pics to come once its all set up. I'll also get some video up of the finished product and the sounds I end up with.
 
#934
adamaarts said:
I have my Digitech RP-1 coning tomorrow, Hub on Sat, and a Line 6 M5 sometime next week. My plan is to only use the RP-1 for MIDI. I'll run audio starting at the M5 mainly for octaver and EQ, then to OFD, then to Manta. MIDI-wise, the RP-1 can send multiple channels of PC data so the idea is to get the HUB on channel 1, the M5 on channel 2. Then setup patches and scenes from there.
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I didn't know about the Digitech RP-1. From looking at the manual, it looks ideal for this sort of thing.
 
#935
Does the RP-1 really send PC on different channels? That's something that I think is missing (or at least not obvious) from so many of these other MIDI controllers and switchers out there. I really want to be able to control my pedals independently, rather than only linking them in "scenes." I think it's okay to do that for Source Audio pedals only, but with my Eventide pedals or even my Line6 M5, i really don't want them "tied" to each other.
 
#936
Yes it does up to 4 different channels according to the manual. It was kind if a fluke thing that I found it, I knew there had to be something better and/or cheaper than the current offerings

Also my shipping shows the hub coming today!! Gonna be a busy night tonight!!
 
#937
Adamixoye said:
Does the RP-1 really send PC on different channels? That's something that I think is missing (or at least not obvious) from so many of these other MIDI controllers and switchers out there. I really want to be able to control my pedals independently, rather than only linking them in "scenes." I think it's okay to do that for Source Audio pedals only, but with my Eventide pedals or even my Line6 M5, i really don't want them "tied" to each other.
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That's interesting ... On my quick reading of the manual I came to the conclusion that the 4 other devices got their PC messages along with patch changes (I.e. 'Scene' changes). Could be that was more to do with my hopes than the manual, I've already come to the wrong conclusion from a manual once today.
 
#938
Well I tried a couple scenes and so far so good. I have both hub and rp1 set to midi channel 1. I made a couple test patches and they work perfectly.

I am hoping to figure out more on the rp1 side since it has a lot f menus and options to figure out, like changing the LED patch number to match the button, right now preset 1 is patch 23 or something like that on the controller, minor but my OCD bugs.
 
#940
rsmith601 said:
It looks like the little guy, except it communicates with the Hub.
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Tell you what would be awesome: If it also had a dry/wet mix on the 'on' side, and the dry/wet mix was stored as part of the scene. That would go a LONG way to giving flexibility to non-SA pedals in setup with an SA hub. For an octave for instance I could store instead of just octave pedal on/off, I could also store 'dry with a bit of -1 for depth', '50/50 dry/wet' AND '-1 only, no dry'.

Hmmm ?
 

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