Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[jdaunt]

The DS-1 setting is the Boss DS-1, so good place to start there. For the Hiwatt you’d probably have to try out 12-15 to see what sounds closest and play around from there.

 

[Bassgeer]

Quick question for all you midi geniuses, can the Collider receive expression control over midi? Setting it up for the C4 was a snap, but I can't see a setting in the editor that lets you select midi/CC for the expression control option on the Collider.

For reference I am using a Disaster Area DMC Micro.

Cheers!

 

[Quatschmacher]

Quick question for all you midi geniuses, can the Collider receive expression control over midi? Setting it up for the C4 was a snap, but I can't see a setting in the editor that lets you select midi/CC for the expression control option on the Collider.

For reference I am using a Disaster Area DMC Micro.

Cheers!

Have you opened the MIDI map from the “devices” menu tab in the desktop editor?

Collider definitely has an external control section and hence can be used with expression.

 

[Bassgeer]

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Have you opened the MIDI map from the “devices” menu tab in the desktop editor?

Collider definitely has an external control section and hence can be used with expression.

Thanks for the reply, I figured it out this morning. I missed a setting in the DMC.micro so it's working now.

Cheers!

 

[N4860]

Any SA users interested in getting the new Quad Cortex by Neural DSP when it becomes available? Seems like a cool unit with a lot of functionality. I love my SA gear that I have but the one sound I have never been perfectly happy with is the aftershock. Granted, I haven't spent a huge amount of time trying to make my own sounds with it, just mostly using others presets and then adjusting from there. I used to have a couple of Darkglass pedals which I thought sounded better and I just haven't quite been able to get there with the Aftershock yet.

I'm assuming the Quad Cortex would come with the Darkglass plugins loaded in there which would be great to be able to access via midi. The amp and cab sims on the Quad Cortex would also be quite handy to have.

 

[rsmith601]

Any SA users interested in getting the new Quad Cortex by Neural DSP when it becomes available? Seems like a cool unit with a lot of functionality. I love my SA gear that I have but the one sound I have never been perfectly happy with is the aftershock. Granted, I haven't spent a huge amount of time trying to make my own sounds with it, just mostly using others presets and then adjusting from there. I used to have a couple of Darkglass pedals which I thought sounded better and I just haven't quite been able to get there with the Aftershock yet.

I'm assuming the Quad Cortex would come with the Darkglass plugins loaded in there which would be great to be able to access via midi. The amp and cab sims on the Quad Cortex would also be quite handy to have.

Darkglass pedals are analog. The QC is digital. It might sound the same on both platforms, but it might not. For example, the OC-2 is analog. The OC-3 is digital. Some company. Very different pedals. Its really hard to say until you try it and their work is finished. I would note that what we are doing and what they are doing is really different.

 

[Discount Bassy]

I like what you guys are doing.

 

[N4860]

Darkglass pedals are analog. The QC is digital. It might sound the same on both platforms, but it might not. For example, the OC-2 is analog. The OC-3 is digital. Some company. Very different pedals. Its really hard to say until you try it and their work is finished. I would note that what we are doing and what they are doing is really different.

Oh yes, I definitely understand the differences and understand you're doing something totally different. I had tried the trial of the Darkglass plugin that neural DSP did and it did a good job of emulating my Darkglass Ultra which is why I thought it would be similar on the Quad Cortex. Nearly my whole board is now midi capable except for my Darkglass Ultra (mostly just used as a DI at the end of the chain) and an Empress Compressor which is always on at the start. I was just interested in the potential of having a MIDI Darkglass tone that I can have programmed along with my SA pedals so that I can change everything on the fly with one button switch.

 

[N4860]

Darkglass pedals are analog. The QC is digital. It might sound the same on both platforms, but it might not. For example, the OC-2 is analog. The OC-3 is digital. Some company. Very different pedals. Its really hard to say until you try it and their work is finished. I would note that what we are doing and what they are doing is really different.

Here's a pick of my board:

I definitely support what you guys are doing and will continue to.

 

[Discount Bassy]

Okay. I have some questions. I am new to the SA business, but have acquired a goodly bit of stuff to work with. I own a Soleman, 2 hubs, Ventris, Nemesis, Vertigo, Aftershock, Gemini, Mercury, C4 and the EQ2. Tonight, I updated all of the PC software and all of the hardware firmwares. I am in the setup mode and fairly well confused by the technology I have before me. I am under the impression that the most straightforward way to set up the control side of things is to have the hubs daisy chained from the Soleman output (using MIDI thru settings on the hubs) back into the Soleman MIDI input. I am told this way the hubs can supply display information for the scenes to the Soleman. It comes down to the very basics here for me, I am learning something unfamiliar. A few questions to get started...there will be more.

1. Does the above make sense?
2. Should each hub have its own channel designation or share?
3. Should each pedal have its own channel designation?
4. There will be other pedals in this setup when I get the SA stuff figured out. What makes sense for which pedals should be buffered or not? This setup will be involving a number of other pedals, including an Infinity Looper and BeatBuddy that will be getting tempo information from the Soleman as well. The rest of the pedals are compressors, tuner, a couple of boutique fuzzes w/a dedicated gate and effects loop, a Freeze, a Pitchfork and a number of input and output controllers for routing.

I guess this is enough to start with. The current plan is to focus on the SA stuff, getting it set up and networking and then move to the other MIDI related stuff (looper and drum box). Any input would be greatly appreciated in shortening my learning curve here.

 

[GMC]

That is odd. We did ship to the UK in late May. This is the contact info for our UK distributor:
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Dainton Business Park
Heathfield
Devon
TQ12 6RG
United Kingdom
01626 853876
[email protected]

Thanks Roger, appreciated.
I contacted Firstline, who gave me a list of suppliers who have stock. That's the good news. The bad news for UK buyers is that it is really expensive. It seems that £288 (Eqv $353 US), plus postage is the current UK price point...which is a LOT for an EQ pedal. It might explain why there's not too much desire for this pedal here. Dont get me wrong...I really want one...but I can buy a Boss EQ-200 for £188 (eqv $234 US) which offers many simular features, for a lot less. In fact, here in the UK the EQ2 is more expensive than a C4 or a Nemesis Delay...which kind of puts it into perspective.
So you might need to look into your UK pricing if you want to shift many units here. I appreciate that UK VAT and shipping to the UK might be hiking up the costs...but a comparision in price between an EQ1 to an EQ2...£133 vs £288 shows a huge disparity. Often UK pricing is $>£...eg a $200 item is sold at £200 due to the UK VAT component. This figure uses the exhange rate to cover the Vat component. However, this pedal is being sold at a much higher figure than that.

 

[N4860]

Thanks Roger, appreciated.
I contacted Firstline, who gave me a list of suppliers who have stock. That's the good news. The bad news for UK buyers is that it is really expensive. It seems that £288 (Eqv $353 US), plus postage is the current UK price point...which is a LOT for an EQ pedal. It might explain why there's not too much desire for this pedal here. Dont get me wrong...I really want one...but I can buy a Boss EQ-200 for £188 (eqv $234 US) which offers many simular features, for a lot less. In fact, here in the UK the EQ2 is more expensive than a C4 or a Nemesis Delay...which kind of puts it into perspective.
So you might need to look into your UK pricing if you want to shift many units here. I appreciate that UK VAT and shipping to the UK might be hiking up the costs...but a comparision in price between an EQ1 to an EQ2...£133 vs £288 shows a huge disparity. Often UK pricing is $>£...eg a $200 item is sold at £200 due to the UK VAT component. This figure uses the exhange rate to cover the Vat component. However, this pedal is being sold at a much higher figure than that.

I was looking to get an EQ2 and noticed it is a similar situation here in Canada in regards to the price. The best price I have been able to find here in Canada is $389.00 CAD which is about $287 USD. That makes it more expensive than the majority of the One Series line except for the Nemesis and Ventris.

 

[jdaunt]

I was looking to get an EQ2 and noticed it is a similar situation here in Canada in regards to the price. The best price I have been able to find here in Canada is $389.00 CAD which is about $287 USD. That makes it more expensive than the majority of the One Series line except for the Nemesis and Ventris.

It’s $269 in the US, so that’s a little more in Canada, but not as drastic an increase as overseas sounds like.

 

[N4860]

It’s $269 in the US, so that’s a little more in Canada, but not as drastic an increase as overseas sounds like.

Yeah that doesn't sound so bad, but I'm still a bit surprised that it's more expensive than a C4 or the other One series pedals.

 

[Matty Koff]

Okay. I have some questions. I am new to the SA business, but have acquired a goodly bit of stuff to work with. I own a Soleman, 2 hubs, Ventris, Nemesis, Vertigo, Aftershock, Gemini, Mercury, C4 and the EQ2. Tonight, I updated all of the PC software and all of the hardware firmwares. I am in the setup mode and fairly well confused by the technology I have before me. I am under the impression that the most straightforward way to set up the control side of things is to have the hubs daisy chained from the Soleman output (using MIDI thru settings on the hubs) back into the Soleman MIDI input. I am told this way the hubs can supply display information for the scenes to the Soleman. It comes down to the very basics here for me, I am learning something unfamiliar. A few questions to get started...there will be more.

1. Does the above make sense?
2. Should each hub have its own channel designation or share?
3. Should each pedal have its own channel designation?
4. There will be other pedals in this setup when I get the SA stuff figured out. What makes sense for which pedals should be buffered or not? This setup will be involving a number of other pedals, including an Infinity Looper and BeatBuddy that will be getting tempo information from the Soleman as well. The rest of the pedals are compressors, tuner, a couple of boutique fuzzes w/a dedicated gate and effects loop, a Freeze, a Pitchfork and a number of input and output controllers for routing.

I guess this is enough to start with. The current plan is to focus on the SA stuff, getting it set up and networking and then move to the other MIDI related stuff (looper and drum box). Any input would be greatly appreciated in shortening my learning curve here.

I would look at like it like "Hub 1" and "Hub 2". You could use both of the soleman midi out ports, or you could use one of the hubs as a midi through which gives you an additional midi out on the soleman to use for non SA pedals.

I don't have enough sa pedals to warrant two hubs, but if I did here's how I would route it. Let's refer to them as "Hub 1" and "Hub 2" and assume Hub 1 is the hub you want to be responsible for sending names.

- Set Hub 2 to "midi through" in the desktop editor.
- Set Hub 1 to "Midi Out" in the desktop editor
- Connect Soleman Midi Out to hub 2 Midi In
- Connect Hub2 Midi Out to Hub 1 Midi In
- Connect Hub 1 Midi Out to Soleman Midi in
- On the soleman press edit button to cycle to "Use Hub Names" setting and use previous/next switches to cycle to "yes" (pg 24-25 of Soleman manual)

When you save scenes, the names you use in Hub 1 will be the names that show up on the soleman, and the foot controller will cycle scenes on both hubs.

 

[Discount Bassy]

Thank you. Do the hubs need to have channels assigned? What about the pedals? I really appreciate your assistance on this.

 

[Matty Koff]

Thank you. Do the hubs need to have channels assigned? What about the pedals? I really appreciate your assistance on this.

Should be plug and play from there.. just have to make your scenes, and define per pedal which parameters you want controlled by expression devices if connected. All of my pedals are on ch. 1

 

[rsmith601]

Yeah that doesn't sound so bad, but I'm still a bit surprised that it's more expensive than a C4 or the other One series pedals.

The EQ2 is a really expensive pedal to build. Take it apart and compare to the C4. Not even close. The C4 uses identical hardware as the other One Series. The EQ2 is all new. The Neuro Desktop and Mobile we're also big projects. I do agree that the markup in the UK seems high relative to the Nemesis.

 

[N4860]

The EQ2 is a really expensive pedal to build. Take it apart and compare to the C4. Not even close. The C4 uses identical hardware as the other One Series. The EQ2 is all new. The Neuro Desktop and Mobile we're also big projects. I do agree that the markup in the UK seems high relative to the Nemesis.

That makes sense regarding the new hardware being more expensive. I guess I was just thinking of it as an EQ pedal which traditionally would seem to be more simple in functionality compared to the other One Series pedals. I do understand how the new pedal is a lot more than that and has a lot more going on under the hood compared to the other pedals. I'm sure I will be adding one at some point in the future; I just have another bass or 2 that I am looking to get first before further expanding my pedal board.

 

[Gibs210]

Okay. I have some questions. I am new to the SA business, but have acquired a goodly bit of stuff to work with. I own a Soleman, 2 hubs, Ventris, Nemesis, Vertigo, Aftershock, Gemini, Mercury, C4 and the EQ2. Tonight, I updated all of the PC software and all of the hardware firmwares. I am in the setup mode and fairly well confused by the technology I have before me. I am under the impression that the most straightforward way to set up the control side of things is to have the hubs daisy chained from the Soleman output (using MIDI thru settings on the hubs) back into the Soleman MIDI input. I am told this way the hubs can supply display information for the scenes to the Soleman. It comes down to the very basics here for me, I am learning something unfamiliar. A few questions to get started...there will be more.

1. Does the above make sense?
2. Should each hub have its own channel designation or share?
3. Should each pedal have its own channel designation?
4. There will be other pedals in this setup when I get the SA stuff figured out. What makes sense for which pedals should be buffered or not? This setup will be involving a number of other pedals, including an Infinity Looper and BeatBuddy that will be getting tempo information from the Soleman as well. The rest of the pedals are compressors, tuner, a couple of boutique fuzzes w/a dedicated gate and effects loop, a Freeze, a Pitchfork and a number of input and output controllers for routing.

I guess this is enough to start with. The current plan is to focus on the SA stuff, getting it set up and networking and then move to the other MIDI related stuff (looper and drum box). Any input would be greatly appreciated in shortening my learning curve here.

1. Make sure you set the second hub to midi out if you are doing that, otherwise you’ll have a midi feedback loop of data, not good. Also do all your preset naming in this hub, the first one won’t matter, just the second since it’s sending data back to soleman for preset names. Also, amenable that option in the desktop for the soleman editor.

2. easier to keep them on the same channel, then Pc commands from the soleman will recall the correct preset from both units. Just make sure you save scenes on both units.

3. only if you plan on getting into using CC messages and/or panel mode for direct control of settings on individual pedals, otherwise you don’t need to. Be aware though, if you do decide to do this, it’s far easier to have the midi channels assigned ahead of time than having to go back into each scene to reassign the correct channel. Otherwise your presets won’t recall properly.

4. Completely up to you, let your ears decide for you.