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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3
- Thread starter gregmon79
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If it's a Microsoft OS, there's been a ton of driver releases and patch updates recently. Source Audio USB pedals don't like hubs or other devices on their interface. If you have a mouse and a SA pedal on the same bus...it's probably going to interfere.
Thought I would post an update on my solution to the sync problems I was having with my Aftershock and Neuro all. I was using an Apple brand 3.5 MM to Lightning adapter, but I decided to switch it out with a different Apple adapter Problem solved!
This is the second time my Aftershock has lost connectivity with the Neuro app because of a wonky adapter. Obviously the app is finicky in that regard. But it’s a great app regardless!
Which pedals? The Spectrum out of the box is very easy. More complex pedals, like the C4 and Ultrawave have a steeper learning curve. @Proton Lenny 's video on the C4 is a fantastic guide, and lengthy, so be prepared. Connecting the pedal to your computer or phone to download presets to your pedal gives you functionality out of the box with some downloading and testing of sounds. Also, one's experience with a synth pedal and the muting and conciseness of attack comes into play. And the first thing you will learn about tweaking presets you download is the output volume and input volumes and where to set them according to your bass and setup. Some, like many of my own, will blow you away when you use them because they're so loud. And with a synth pedal, sometimes a very loud sound in your headphones is normal volume in the din onstage.
Source Audio themselves put out this one for the Ultrawave, in case that's what you got.
Most of the other pedals are much easier. Source Audio's website is a great resource for videos on the Neuro Editor. You can even get the app and download it to your phone and get an idea for how to change parameters in the pedal via the included cable. Even better to download it to your computer and get a good look at the interface of each pedal, which is quite different across the board. It's a lot to take in, but the results are easily and quickly attainable and you get better at making presets as you go along, there are hundreds to download, try out, save, and tailor to your needs and re-save perhaps even taking one of the 6 available preset slots right on the pedal. And some pedals you can simply use out of the box and never hook up to the computer. But welcome, and come on in, the water's fine...
I got a Spectrum and C4 inbound, be here Thursday and Friday.
I've been digging and reading/watching what I can. A lot to digest. I got the app on my phone now and debating on either the Mac or Windows machine for the desktop. Might do the Mac since it is brand new.
The C4 is a superset of the Spectrum, so depending on what you're after, you might find the Spectrum redundant (or the C4 to be overkill). OTOH, if you like overkill, Spectrum+C4 might be the way to go...
You might think so, then you want a funk machine that adds to the synth, and can stay if you decide to drop down to env filter only, or the reverse. I fought the urge to get a Spectrum, and only successfully waged it while I kept the MarkBass SuperSynth on the board with the C4, so the C4 could filter that synth or octaver. But as soon as I got the Spectrum, I fell in love with it. It is a killer out of the box. I get good quacks on my active bass and my piezo pickup'd acoustic without turning knobs at all. The MuTron sound is right there and less wonky than the QTron or a litany of others, IMO.
Why not on both? I have it on my phone, tablet, recording laptop, and desktop just in case. And it's a lot, but it's exciting and the possibilities are nearly endless for sculpting your sound how you want it.
rsmith601
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It is really funny to read your posts. Its like you are talking the same stuff we did when we sit down and plan out how to do things. Yes, the whole point of the C4 is to give you a synth pedal, but envelope stuff is all in there too. The Spectrum was intended to put the envelope filter front and center out of the box. So glad they are giving you what you want! I am also so glad you are taking advantage of the Neuro ecosystem we have build up to support our pedals. It is a huge undertaking and it makes me very happy to see it used as we once dreamed a few years ago!!
Is the Boss MS3 good to use with these for the Midi usage or should I look for a SA Soleman? And I belive I have to have the hub regardless, correct?
That is if I dive into the Midi fun, which I am thinking about doing. I'm looking at the Aftershock now. Like potato chips, can't just have one...
That is if I dive into the Midi fun, which I am thinking about doing. I'm looking at the Aftershock now. Like potato chips, can't just have one...
The MS3 is great with the SA pedals for MIDI control, I’ve been using it for the past 2 years or so. It’s got plenty of control and can send multiple messages at a time, plus it has some onboard effects too. You are correct, you’ll still need the hub to accept the MIDI messages though.
On the flip side, just this past week I got a Soleman and I’ll need to do some programming still, but I’m really looking forward to using it!
Would you recommend the Soleman over the MS3? And see a lot of places are out of the Soleman and some list it as clearance....
Your board looks a lot like where I see myself going!
I’ll have to let you know after this weekend haha! From what I’ve been reading in the manual, it seems like it’s going to be great! The only thing I’ll miss is the built in tuner the MS-3 has. I still have the MS3 but I’ll be using it for something else.
I happened to snag mine up from Reverb at an awesome price that I couldn’t pass up haha.
Also, you’re right…SA pedals are definitely like potato chips, you can’t just have one!
Did you find yourself using the loops and other effects in the MS3 outside of the MiDi control and tuner?
The mc6 MKII is a step up in my opinion. The Soleman I liked a lot but the ability to have multiple functions on one button sets the morningstar ahead.
Gibs210
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You can do this as well with soleman using macros. There’s not multi programming functionality (press does one message, hold does another, etc), but you can send up to 11 messages in a single macro.
Good to be enthusiastic but... the mc6 can do that something like 16 times per switch... The multi-function per button aspect of the morningstar versus 1 function per button is a major step ahead. and I checked with the boss before changing it up. He didn't have the Soleman on the road map for improvement as there were other more priority projects. If he had, I'd have stayed the course.
