Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[GMC]

I actually used the loops a lot! I put my Aftershock in one, the C4 in another, and the lunar in the third loop. The MS3 doesn’t have the moveable loops though, so that was a downside. I normally didn’t use the built in effects, but occasionally I would them (like an extra chorus on top of the Lunar).

I think it's a hard choice now between the ES-3 and GT-1000 Core in the Boss world. If the Chorus , phaser and Flanger options were better on the GT-1000 Core or ES-3 I'd probably be tempted. The Source Audio gear really does sound great and it puts other marques into perspective. I do a lot of home playing with headphones and the SA gear is in the same sonic league / processing capability of my Eventide H9's and EXH Hog2. The Boss stuff sounds good, but the modulation has a sort of digital sound to the effects that I can't seem to dial out.
I'm only using my ES-5 as a master midi controller, patch hander and a few patches where I change the pedal order. I'm thinking of getting a Spectrum and moving my C4 later in the chain...so it's becoming less of requirement to move my pedal order around per patch. I might get a smaller Midi controller...or I might save a few Shekels and leave it as is...it's working well.
I think if Source Audio wanted to make a Soleman II, the Boss ES-5's feature set and size would be a good template to start. A few extra loops and stereo would knock it out of the park. However, I'm not sure it's a direction SA want to go in.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thank you! is there a thread explaining how to save the edited presets to the 6 toggled preset positions available on the pedal?
My understanding is that I select a preset and save as to the preset spot I want. But, Would I first copy the existing toggle position preset to another spot so I don’t loose that factory preset? Or is there an easier way? sorry for the confused and confusing post.
It seems the videos I’ve watched and manual all talk about editing and Saving presets, or burning presets to the pedal. But nothing explains how to move them into the usable toggle locations.

After editing, press “save as” to choose the name and the slot to which you want to write it.

At present there is no drag-and-drop swapping of presets so if you want to swap slots, you need to load the preset then use the “save as” function to write it to a new location.

Factory presets are easily recovered by either downloading them or by simply deleting the presets in slots 1-6, whereupon the factory presets will reappear automatically.

 

[PhinDog]

Presets 1 - 6 are the ones you can get to by using the toggle switch. Just save any factory presets that you want to keep to a different location before overwriting any of presets 1 - 6.

Thanks, that’s what I thought. Just didn’t know if there was an easier way.
On the phone app, this may be less easy to do.

thanks again.

 

[deepestend]

Does anyone know how you'd create this bass tone on the Spectrum? Anyone want to break it down? Low pass with a little octave and slight distortion?

 

[coyoteboy]

Hey all, finally getting around to tap tempo shenanigans and trying to route TT from Micro. through HUb. clocked pedals are turned on for clock, yet I'm not getting any action. Micro. says TAP when I tap but that's it. tap through Neuro works fine. opened Hub midi manager, and that causes Neuro to shut down eeks.

 

[Gibs210]

Hey all, finally getting around to tap tempo shenanigans and trying to route TT from Micro. through HUb. clocked pedals are turned on for clock, yet I'm not getting any action. Micro. says TAP when I tap but that's it. tap through Neuro works fine. opened Hub midi manager, and that causes Neuro to shut down eeks.

Did you enable midi clock on the micro? Cc tap and midi clock are not the same.

 

[coyoteboy]

Hi, thanks for chiming in. I'm looking but don't see in the micro. manual where to enable midi clock. I've setup an ext switch to send taps via multijack. does utility mode need to be on?

 

[Joeynone]

Quick question. I’m in the middle of wiring a board, can I use in/out 2 for mono instead of in/out 1 on a one series… this is for space saving and is the difference maker on whether or not I can fit a pedal.

 

[Gsnorgathon]

You can, but you'd lose the ability to communicate with the One Series pedal by using the Neuro phone app. You'd have to use the Neuro desktop app via USB.

 

[Gibs210]

Quick question. I’m in the middle of wiring a board, can I use in/out 2 for mono instead of in/out 1 on a one series… this is for space saving and is the difference maker on whether or not I can fit a pedal.

I’d advise against this, some of the stereo effects require the use of input one, so pluggin into input two only means your not getting the full effect, even in mono.

 

[4Mal]

@deepestend That sounds a bit like Chris Wood playing his hofner rather than his URB. I saw him live with TWB and he had an Ashdown 2x10 combo on a stand. It was pretty grindy but with treble up high.

He is such an amazing/inspiring player.

 

[Derek Williams]

Added some Chase Bliss bling to my SA pedals:

Knobs available from Link Removed

 

[Horgh]

New guy here, just posted this thread but was told to ask here instead: DS-1 and CH-1 with Aftershock and Gemini?

Essentially I'm trying to replicate the DS-1 and CH-1 pedals with the Aftershock and Gemini, and wanted to know the following (sorry about the copy/paste):

1. I assume the Aftershock DS-1 engine is pretty close to the real thing. However, do the Tone/Level/Distortion knobs on the DS-1 relate directly to those controls on the AS? Similarly, what should the other AS controls be set to (in general) to not stray from the real DS-1 sound?

2. Which of the Gemini engines would be close to a CH-1? Same question as above about the CH-1 controls matching those of the Gemini, and about other settings on the Gemini to keep close to the CH-1 sound.

Thanks!

 

[sunbeast]

New guy here, just posted this thread but was told to ask here instead: DS-1 and CH-1 with Aftershock and Gemini?

Essentially I'm trying to replicate the DS-1 and CH-1 pedals with the Aftershock and Gemini, and wanted to know the following (sorry about the copy/paste):

1. I assume the Aftershock DS-1 engine is pretty close to the real thing. However, do the Tone/Level/Distortion knobs on the DS-1 relate directly to those controls on the AS? Similarly, what should the other AS controls be set to (in general) to not stray from the real DS-1 sound?

2. Which of the Gemini engines would be close to a CH-1? Same question as above about the CH-1 controls matching those of the Gemini, and about other settings on the Gemini to keep close to the CH-1 sound.

Thanks!

You really would have to have all the pedals in hand to directly try to compare and match sounds. I wouldn't expect exact anything from a digital model of an analog circuit, so some extra tweaking should be expected. I would guess the controls are not analagous in either case, at least not to the point that same settings would sound closest to each-other. There are just too many variables at play between the two designs to make that practical.

Also not sure what you are hoping to achieve by directly copping the sounds of pedals you don't even own. I would recommend building sounds that fit the music you need and not worry about the assumed authenticity of the building blocks. You've got two super powerful tools that are capable of so much more than their ancient Boss counterparts- not to say those Boss pedals aren't great (I've owned both, like most people who played guitar in the 90s!), but I don't think they need to be a gold standard to strive for and if they are then you should just buy them instead and revel in their very limited but tasty flavors.

 

[Horgh]

You really would have to have all the pedals in hand to directly try to compare and match sounds. I wouldn't expect exact anything from a digital model of an analog circuit, so some extra tweaking should be expected. I would guess the controls are not analagous in either case, at least not to the point that same settings would sound closest to each-other. There are just too many variables at play between the two designs to make that practical.

Also not sure what you are hoping to achieve by directly copping the sounds of pedals you don't even own. I would recommend building sounds that fit the music you need and not worry about the assumed authenticity of the building blocks. You've got two super powerful tools that are capable of so much more than their ancient Boss counterparts- not to say those Boss pedals aren't great (I've owned both, like most people who played guitar in the 90s!), but I don't think they need to be a gold standard to strive for and if they are then you should just buy them instead and revel in their very limited but tasty flavors.

You are, of course, correct, and I have been having a great time playing with these pedals to produce sounds I like. They are very powerful and very flexible, which is why I got them. Discovering "your sound" isn't easy, and instead of buying 20 pedals, I bought 2 and can now explore.

Having said that, I guess I should have included the reason behind my questions. Namely, I'm trying to come close to the bass sound of Peter Steele of Type O Negative for when I play along to their songs. I know that a lot of people reference the famous image of his pedals (DS-1, CH-1, DD-3T), that those were only the core of his sound (and likely from his Carnivore days), and that his customized bass and amplification had a lot to do with it as well. However, having heard the DS-1 and CH-1 mated together, it's close enough for my liking. So, I could spend $100 to get those two pedals used (and I still may), but I figured there could be a way to try to replicate (some of) that sound with the Source Audio offerings. Tell me if I'm overcomplicating things and should just get the pedals

 

[munkeyfish]

Complete noob alert!

I have the Soleman, the Hub, C4, Aftershock and Spectrum.

How exactly am I supposed to hook them all together? Do I need to connect both in and outs on each pedal if not running stereo? Do I need a midi cable for in and out on the Soleman to the Hub?

Is there a how to section anywhere on this that I missed? I read what I could on SA website and the manuals, great info on how to use them, but not so much on how to connect it all.

Sorry for letting my noodness show so bad, but I want to get going here.

Thanks for any help on doing this correctly.

 

[rsmith601]

Complete noob alert!

I have the Soleman, the Hub, C4, Aftershock and Spectrum.

How exactly am I supposed to hook them all together? Do I need to connect both in and outs on each pedal if not running stereo? Do I need a midi cable for in and out on the Soleman to the Hub?

Is there a how to section anywhere on this that I missed? I read what I could on SA website and the manuals, great info on how to use them, but not so much on how to connect it all.

Sorry for letting my noodness show so bad, but I want to get going here.

Thanks for any help on doing this correctly.

You can send a note to [email protected]. Anyone buying this much SA stuff should get some TLC!!

 

[WaveyDavey]

You can send a note to [email protected]. Anyone buying this much SA stuff should get some TLC!!

That, my friends, is good customer service!

Kudos, SA!

 

[sunbeast]

You are, of course, correct, and I have been having a great time playing with these pedals to produce sounds I like. They are very powerful and very flexible, which is why I got them. Discovering "your sound" isn't easy, and instead of buying 20 pedals, I bought 2 and can now explore.

Having said that, I guess I should have included the reason behind my questions. Namely, I'm trying to come close to the bass sound of Peter Steele of Type O Negative for when I play along to their songs. I know that a lot of people reference the famous image of his pedals (DS-1, CH-1, DD-3T), that those were only the core of his sound (and likely from his Carnivore days), and that his customized bass and amplification had a lot to do with it as well. However, having heard the DS-1 and CH-1 mated together, it's close enough for my liking. So, I could spend $100 to get those two pedals used (and I still may), but I figured there could be a way to try to replicate (some of) that sound with the Source Audio offerings. Tell me if I'm overcomplicating things and should just get the pedals

Well I would say it’s really something you’ll have to try and compare yourself to see. Maybe his tone is just as simple as tweaking those two relatively basic pedals, and once you hear it you won’t be able to accept any substitute for the “real thing”. I feel like 75% of all tone talk on guitar/bass forums is pretty much about authentically replicating something that someone has heard before (and/or whether some new piece of gear can authentically replicate it to taste)- humans will always feel more confident and assured with the familiar than the potential of trudging potentially uncomfortable (or potentially bad-sounding in this case) new territory. If I were you I’d pick up those Boss pedals ($100 is paltry by today’s gear cost standards) and compare/contrast yourself. It may well be that the simpler choice makes more sense for you at this point. On the other hand you may find the versatility of the Source Audio pedals do offer you a worthwhile value beyond the basic familiar Boss staples and you will be satisfied that you aren’t missing out on that “gold standard” you are looking for. Either way you should be able to flip the option you choose to let go of without too much trouble.

 

[munkeyfish]

You can send a note to [email protected]. Anyone buying this much SA stuff should get some TLC!!

Just an FYI:

I emailed them this morning and a just couple hours later I got a response. I'll share what was written just in case anyone's in the same boat as me. Can't say thanks enough for the quick response. I'm sure I'll be asking more questions here and from SA. Thanks again.

If your running in mono, just connect input/output 1, no need to use in/out 2 in mono. As far making connections for midi, the minimum would be to run a midi cable from the soleman out to the neuro hub in, you can run a cable back, but it is not necessary, just allows the soleman display to show the preset names on the hub, but the hub must be set to midi out, not midi thru when doing this. Then just connect the included TRRS cables from the multi function outs of the neuro hub to the control inputs on the one series pedals. By default everything should be on midi channel one, and if all your doing is recalling hub scenes, this should be fine and will work out of the box in scene mode on the soleman. If you plan on doing more control of individual pedals via midi CC messages, you’ll need to set the one series pedals to unique midi channels, best to do this before you start building scenes on the hub, as the midi channels are saved to each scene, meaning if you change your mind you’ll need to go back and edit these presets so the midi channel is correct and re-save. Let me know if there’s anything else I can help you with.
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