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Just another thought. Could having the saddle angled back hold your string in the groove more? I mean when the saddle's flat, the point where the string meets the saddle would be the center (or end) of the string groove. Angled it meets at the beginning of the groove and then the rest of the groove holds it, instead of just the last half the groove holding the string. Thus having maximum string to saddle contact.
I trust Jimmy Eppard's advise. He's set up more basses, let alone Spector basses than I can imagine. I trust his advise as much as I would trust a college professor's opinion on their subject. You listen to your Doctor, right? He's my basses Doctor. But that all it is, advise and opinions. You take what you want and leave what you don't. If that means not doing what is advised, then so be it. To each his own. I personally take it, and will pass it on when asked.
I trust Jimmy Eppard's advise. He's set up more basses, let alone Spector basses than I can imagine. I trust his advise as much as I would trust a college professor's opinion on their subject. You listen to your Doctor, right? He's my basses Doctor. But that all it is, advise and opinions. You take what you want and leave what you don't. If that means not doing what is advised, then so be it. To each his own. I personally take it, and will pass it on when asked.
That's exactly what I was wondering too.
The Euro bolt-ons for example have only 3 options? (cherry, black zebrawood, zebrazood).
That's a bit unfair for the bolt-on lovers, especially since they are made in the same factory with the neck-thru ones.
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Thanks man! My track wasn't in any of the vids there though. Again, seeing the finished product will be awesome.
Also, congrats on that forte. My guess is that you'll be playing it so long that your going to miss the next edition of the club (or two).
You don't want your contact point sharp as this can easily lead to cut/broken strings. It should optimally be rounded. Your intonation point is flawed as you would intonate the saddles position, not whether it's tilted or not. Intonate flat, then tilt? Yeah you're going to be off. Intonate tilt then set flat? Guess what.
Another issue with having them tilted is you're altering the string force into a more forward motion (pushing from more towards the back of the saddle than center) than more downward when flat. This means that if your set screw ever comes unknowingly loose, your saddles are going to be more likely to start to vibrate forward, pushing you sharp (fretwise tuned/flat open string because of reduced tention). Tilted back the downward force is not evenly distributed to the bridge plate.
Someone at Spector thought that the bridge saddles looked better with the string coming off the saddles at even angles (peledog's are actually further back then even Spector recommends, so his issue could be compounded).
This would be a fine theory if the bridge plate underneath were at the same angle as the saddle. It is not obviously.
It's funny how no other major bridge manufacturer (including Spectors new alternate/US bolt on standard bridge maker Hipshot), including Spector themselves with the in your face obvious, non-tilt adjustable intonation bridge, recommends anything like this. Hmmmm.......
There will be no side to side issues either way.
This bridge, except for having great high mass, is a caveman like, extremely limited design in this day and age. It was innovative in it's day for it's mass, but has been showing it's age for a couple decades now. I wish they would just go with all Hipshot "A" bridges and put this one out to pasture. It might bring in some newer players that look at Spectors as "80's basses" for more than just image reasons.
Alright...who poked the bear about the bridge issue?????
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Thanks Jeff...
Mad,
Thats a great idea me and Jeff in the same room playing Spectors all night lol
and I'm sure John will join with his new green monster (not the one in Fenway)....hehe
Awesome videos JPS!!! And LimaGuy, nice soundtracks!!!
This wasn't Sam first time doing tracks that ended up in recordings....He does have some good bass lines in current porn films.....haha....j/k...You bad Spector boys!!!...
you picked the right group to ask
We will be more than happy to help you find a bass or point you in the right direction...
Thanks for that. I have save enough to buy a very nice bass and i don't want to have to change in the next 2 or 5 years. I am very serious about learning. I really like the sound of the NS-2 but maybe getting that monster is a bit overkill......
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Well, I successfully manage to burn something in my SVT-4Pro
Smelled smoke, saw a spark....more smoke. Now it's at the Dr.
Dang Seventhframe that sucks! I'm reallly sorry to hear that. That happened once with my SWR 750. Was it from behind the power switch? If so, i can't remember what the cause was, but it was an easy fix.
In other news...i got two people wanting to buy my SWR rig. If all goes well = Spector + SVT 4 Pro +810E = bassgiant15
bobome, if you're thinking of purchasing a (US) Fender Jazz or a MusicMan Stingray you could definitely buy a nice used Spector.
Occasionally I see Legend series bass here in the classifieds and on eBay with the p/j pickup configuration. You could pick one of those up in nice shape for under $500 and imo it would be plenty nice enough to last the first few years... heck I'd be real comfortable gigging with some of the legend series basses. They look, sound, and play great.
Occasionally I see Legend series bass here in the classifieds and on eBay with the p/j pickup configuration. You could pick one of those up in nice shape for under $500 and imo it would be plenty nice enough to last the first few years... heck I'd be real comfortable gigging with some of the legend series basses. They look, sound, and play great.
bassgiant15
Endorsing Artist: Spector Basses
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+1 I love Mike's tone!!!
The tones that got me were same as grendle as well as:
Pantera - I'm Broken (Video) - YouTube @ 2:28 it really shines!!!
I wish i had gotten into Pantera earlier in life, but the first album i bought of theirs was "The Great Southern Trendkill" Rex's tone had my jaw on the floor!!!
@3:50 playing, tone, everything = jaw on the floor = my ringtone
These are what i hear when i hear "Spector"
You don't want your contact point sharp as this can easily lead to cut/broken strings. It should optimally be rounded. Your intonation point is flawed as you would intonate the saddles position, not whether it's tilted or not. Intonate flat, then tilt? Yeah you're going to be off. Intonate tilt then set flat? Guess what.
Another issue with having them tilted is you're altering the string force into a more forward motion (pushing from more towards the back of the saddle than center) than more downward when flat. This means that if your set screw ever comes unknowingly loose, your saddles are going to be more likely to start to vibrate forward, pushing you sharp (fretwise tuned/flat open string because of reduced tention). Tilted back the downward force is not evenly distributed to the bridge plate.
Someone at Spector thought that the bridge saddles looked better with the string coming off the saddles at even angles (peledog's are actually further back then even Spector recommends, so his issue could be compounded).
This would be a fine theory if the bridge plate underneath were at the same angle as the saddle. It is not obviously.
It's funny how no other major bridge manufacturer (including Spectors new alternate/US bolt on standard bridge maker Hipshot), including Spector themselves with the in your face obvious, non-tilt adjustable intonation bridge, recommends anything like this. Hmmmm.......
There will be no side to side issues either way.
This bridge, except for having great high mass, is a caveman like, extremely limited design in this day and age. It was innovative in it's day for it's mass, but has been showing it's age for a couple decades now. I wish they would just go with all Hipshot "A" bridges and put this one out to pasture. It might bring in some newer players that look at Spectors as "80's basses" for more than just image reasons.
I think a big part of the bridge design came from Steinberger.
as for angling the saddles, I've had them flat, tilted forward and tilted back over the years. Never seen too much difference myself. I read the angled bridge thing in the " Care and Feeding of your Spector Bass" guide. just figured i'd go with it. Way too simple of a thing to over think like some do
lol Here's a pic of the Stiney bridge
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IMO there are other tracks off that album I think are closer, but AIC is the only reason I know about Spector. Thank god for that
Mike from AIC and Tim from Rage Against the Machine are what caused me to pick up the bass in the first place
Though my spector is #1 and my musicman-type bass is #2 so i guess the AIC tone wins in that category
Oh I agree, I lived with that album in my CD player forever. You can here the bass pretty good on that track though.
Here's another tone I totally hear in my head when you say SPECTOR!
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again, nothing else comes close to that tone!
Give us a price point. What are you planning to do? Studio work, giging? etc. What are the important aspects of the instrument to you? (tone, weight, ergonomics...).
Spectors tend to have their own unique tone and can be pretty aggressive
. The F basses I have played sounded good, and played very well, hard to go wrong there. To me though they didn't sound much different than Fodera's , Smith's, or Roscoe's. All amazing basses that sound good and play well, but they didn't have a "signature" tone to my ears. I'm not a fender fan, but their basses are pretty easy to work with in a studio setting, and not an incredibly bad choice if that's all your doing. The down side is only about 1 in 5 is even playable without major work from the get go. Give us some more info. Of course were all biased toward Spector here, but we wouldn't steer you wrong.
+1 I love Mike's tone!!!
The tones that got me were same as grendle as well as:
Pantera - I'm Broken (Video) - YouTube @ 2:28 it really shines!!!
I wish i had gotten into Pantera earlier in life, but the first album i bought of theirs was "The Great Southern Trendkill" Rex's tone had my jaw on the floor!!!
PanterA - Floods - YouTube @3:50 playing, tone, everything = jaw on the floor = my ringtone
These are what i hear when i hear "Spector"
The interesting part of that solo section of Floods is that is one of the few times Rex plays finger style. When I read this, I couldn't believe it:
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Thanks for that. I have save enough to buy a very nice bass and i don't want to have to change in the next 2 or 5 years. I am very serious about learning. I really like the sound of the NS-2 but maybe getting that monster is a bit overkill......
Here's the deal bobome, I would suggest finding the best deal you can on either a Spector, MM, Jazz, or P or "?????" <-- <-- <-- insert other bass name here..... these are all fine instruments and all have their place in music. If you buy a nice MIA Standard Jazz for say $750.00 which for $750 its a good deal, if you dont like it you can sell it and make your money back. Then buy a MM or Spector or something else. But I would imagine you will buy something, then Gas for something else, then gas for something else, it happens to all of us and its a blast and keeps us ALL coming back to the TB Classifieds!!
Your approach to your first bass is certainly realistic and applauded, but dont stress out about it. Have fun with it and enjoy the ride! And once you find something be sure to post pics, we'd love to see what you decided on!!
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