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Spector bass?

That Gumby headstock gives it away!
Here was the original Warwick Streamer, looks familiar eh? :) Now from the image below, you will be able to immediately see some cosmetic changes they have since made.

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I own 2 Rebops and love them. (And I do not play metal.) Funny how I never cared for Warwicks...

My only issue with the Rebops is that they are too hot. If you turn the volume 1/16 of an inch too high it is just way too loud. People have told me to turn the pot on the tone pump but that really did not help. It's a pain when switching basses during a gig because getting the amp to accommodate two radically different volume settings is a chore.

But they sound great!
 
Pull that Tone Pump and put a Tone Capsule in it.. it will make you 100% happier! IMHO!

I own 2 Rebops and love them. (And I do not play metal.) Funny how I never cared for Warwicks...

My only issue with the Rebops is that they are too hot. If you turn the volume 1/16 of an inch too high it is just way too loud. People have told me to turn the pot on the tone pump but that really did not help. It's a pain when switching basses during a gig because getting the amp to accommodate two radically different volume settings is a chore.

But they sound great!
 
Why is this being debated here? Pretty much everyone understands what happened. Personally, I would never play a Streamer, but if someone else wants to, what do I care?

The only ones that truly have a dog in the fight are Stu and Hans. For the rest of us, if someone buys a Streamer because they prefer the Warwick sound to the Spector sound, good for them. I disagree with them, but their decision doesn't really effect me in any way.

On a side note, I have had 3 different people, over the years, ask me about my "Warwick", when I was actually playing a Spector. I was happy to tell them what it actually was and why they might be getting the two confused. One person thought it was an Ibanez. People, in general, just don't know that much about musical instruments. So it's not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Play what makes you happy.
 
It is a preamp designed by Darkglass, it gives you bass, low mids and high mids control.. In my opinion.. it's tone that is very similar to the HAZLAB 9v pre in USA Spector basses, which this preamp is considered the "holy grail" of bass preamps.. So at the price of less than half of the HAZ pre.. you have it in the Tone Capsule.. it is a very nice preamp.. and you will have more control over your volume too..

Sorry for my ignorance but what is a Tone Capsule and will it change the sound of the bass?
 
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It is a preamp designed by Darkglass, it gives you bass, low mids and high mids control.. In my opinion.. it's tone that is very similar to the HAZLAB 9v pre in USA Spector basses, which this preamp is considered the "holy grail" of bass preamps.. So at the price of less than half of the HAZ pre.. you have it in the Tone Capsule.. it is a very nice preamp.. and you will have more control over your volume too..

I'll look into it...Thanks!
 
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It is a preamp designed by Darkglass, it gives you bass, low mids and high mids control.. In my opinion.. it's tone that is very similar to the HAZLAB 9v pre in USA Spector basses, which this preamp is considered the "holy grail" of bass preamps.. So at the price of less than half of the HAZ pre.. you have it in the Tone Capsule.. it is a very nice preamp.. and you will have more control over your volume too..
I like Aguilar's OBP-3 too! Great alternatives abound.
 
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Well, I would bet that this would not have happened this way if Fender had been making a drum set called the Broadcaster or a guitar shaped like a Gretsch guitar. Warwick absolutely stole the Spector design, the fact that it was worked out does not just make the story go away. Which, of course, is why we still have SO MANY "lawsuit" guitars and basses.

The offence of "stealing" a product design is a relatively new concept. Especially when people attempt (with some success these days) to apply it to "designs" that neither hold a patent nor a copyright. But that's the Wild West of "intellectual property" and the legal quagmire attorneys have created around it.

In Leo's day the idea of suing somebody for something as simple as sharing the same name for a product (especially if it were a common word found in any dictionary) would have likely never come up. And very probably would have gotten short shrift in any US court. In the case of Fender's Broadcaster vs Gretsch's Broadkaster, the simple argument that they were different spellings for different products would have ended it right there. That was one reason why names like Xerox and Kleenex were invented.The 50s and 60s were the heyday of unique product names for precisely that reason. Very few people would have had the temerity to think they could legally claim a single dictionary word as their own.

Contrast that to today, with Apple unilaterally deciding any name beginning with the letter "i" belongs to them. Or Monster Cable routinely bullying anybody who uses the term "monster" in any way shape or form when speaking of a product not theirs.

Totally insane. But that's symptomatic of a nation that's lost the courage to innovate, and now prefers to litigate, block innovation, and wring every possible penny out of whatever they are currently selling. Also one more symptom of a society or nation in the early stages of decline, if you're a student of history and economics. But so it goes. Another empire will come along and replace ours eventually if things continue down the path they're on.

As far as willing to bet it wouldn't have happened that way under a different set of circumstances...well, neither one of us were there...and we can speculate endlessly by changing around the details of what actually happened. That's always fun. But I'm guessing in the legal climate of those times, Gretsch wouldn't have had a leg to stand on - hence the more collegial and professional approach Gretsch took of simply asking Fender, as a favor, to pick a different name. Because that's the way a lot of this sort of thing got handled prior to around the early 80s when the concept of "branding" began to attain the level of religious belief in the business world it holds today.

But whatever. Today it's the Telecaster guitar and the Broadkaster drumset. Everybody's happy. And nobody's confused. :)
 
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I'm actually kind of shocked more people aren't pissed at Warwick for blatantly ripping off the design. I get the history and how it's been put to bed but seems Warwick got to keep the design through luck and loopholes. If that happened today, there would be blood in the water and people would go after Warwick in a big way. I personally don't care either way. I think streamers are equally as sexy and sometimes more so than spectors. However, some of my favorite players have used spectors so there's that. It'll probably be a long time before I could ever afford either.
 
I'm actually kind of shocked more people aren't pissed at Warwick for blatantly ripping off the design. I get the history and how it's been put to bed but seems Warwick got to keep the design through luck and loopholes. If that happened today, there would be blood in the water and people would go after Warwick in a big way. I personally don't care either way. I think streamers are equally as sexy and sometimes more so than spectors. However, some of my favorite players have used spectors so there's that. It'll probably be a long time before I could ever afford either.

I think this fits the PRS/Gibson battle from the early 2000s. PRS was allowed to continue making singlecut guitars because they had changed the design just enough, and added some of their signature design elements, that it wasn't an exact copy. When Warwick first started making the Streamer, it was pretty much an exact copy of the NS. But, by the time Stu got the rights to the Spector name back, Warwick had changed it enough so that it was no longer an exact copy. They probably watched the PRS/Gibson case very closely and, when they saw the outcome, decided it was fruitless to pursue it further.

In the end, they make two similar, but different, products and are there are compelling reasons to choose one over the other. I love Spectors and have since the first one I played. Warwick was always a mixed bag for me. I like how they sound when others play them, but never really cared for them in my own hands. Someone else might have the exact opposite reaction to me. I think there is room for both to exist in the world.
 
Spector started in 76, NS design is by Ned Steinberger for Stuart Spector in 77, Warwick was founded late 82 and the Streamer design was launched 84; a ripp off; or as architects maybe would say; a citation (in respect of an already established form)
Just check the warwick next to the Spector on the previous page....
Doesnt matter to me the two share the same siloutte, Warwicks are heavier and their finishes are totally different. Thanks for the history. I hope to play a Spector one day but its just not important at this moment.
 
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That's a different show. Also, I don't have cable here, and only get antennae delivery.

And I'm more of a guitar player who plays bass than a total bass head. So my experience with basses is somewhat limited...
Once you know, you cannot Un know (unless your memory is anything like mine :sorry: )

When I was looking to make my big first upgrade, I'll never forget pulling that beautiful Spector off the wall at BassNorthwest ... played and sounded like a dream, and I knew I had to have one. I said "I'll be back" ... and once my tax refund got deposited, I was. And I did take one home. Haven't had a serious gas attack since! :bassist:
 
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