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Spector Club Pt. 4 (Insert Clever Title Here)

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Thanks for that. I appreciate it. I just opened the back and it is like the photo on the right of the EMG BT pre-amp.

Could you now give me a primer on the different pre-amps Spector currently uses and what their characteristics are? I may be the least technical guy here but I'd love to learn about them.

For instance, 1, 2 and 3-band circuits and what they do in terms of sound? Thanks in advance. I want to be able to make informed decisions for the future. Like why so many Spector players seem to prefer the HazLab? And why are so many players split on the TonePump?

No worries.

The different Spector pre-amps... and really, to be technical... active EMG pickups have a pre-amp built into the pickup itself. So really what most people call a pre-amp is really just a tone-cut/boost control.

The TonePump is a proprietary tone-control system. It's OK. It's sort of a mix for me. It's sort of light on mid-range frequencies and has a tendency to favor the treble side of the spectrum when you crank the volume up.

The HAZLAB tone-circuits are solid-state... made by the same guy who's been making them for Spector for 30 years. The things he puts in them are unique to the HAZ. And they are a really nicely balanced tone-boost system. When you open the back of the bass, you're staring at a circuit board that fits the entire cavity. It's like something you'd stick inside your computer to upgrade it.

Being solid state and not digital, it's warmer. It's more... earthy I guess. And it doesn't blow the higher frequencies out when you crank the volume the way the TonePump often does.

The TonePump gets a lot of distortion in it as you crank the volume.

The rest of the Spectors have either Aguilar tone-controls or in a few cases the EMG BT chips.

Think of it this way... remember the old hi-fi stereo systems in the 70's and 80's... the rack ones. And there was usually an equalizer with all the little sliders up and down and you could tweak it just right. If you wanted more mid-range or bass or treble. The more sliders you had, the more control you had over the sound.

That's what the different bands give you on your bass. A 9-volt 2-band isn't as powerful or dynamic as an 18 volt 3-band. Think of being able to blend low frequencies, mid-range and high frequencies. So the more band choices, the more control of the output because instead of blending just your bass and treble... you now can adjust midrange.

And many serious players set the tone-control nobs flat and use their amps to control the tone of the bass. It's one less thing to have to set. Turn them down and deal with the set of controls on the amp head or have to remember the settings on both the bass and the amp. It's a choice.

There is a phenomenon called "The Spector Sound". I've spoken with different people, including Ned Steinberger and PJ Rubal as to why these basses sound different.

And it's an amalgam of different things which when put together make it as PJ said once, "A home run first time to bat".

The thru-neck design... the radius of the neck being slightly less dramatic than most other basses, the brass nut and bridge, the tone-circuit, the type of wood used, the shape of the body (and Ned told me two weeks ago that the design was purely for comfort, nothing more... tone wasn't a factor in the design), the type of pickups, the strings, the saddle and bridge design being counter-sunk into the body instead of resting on top, the large inlays on the neck (they affect tone)... and it goes on.

Anyway... I own 3 Spectors and just made a deal with PJ to get my fourth and final one.

I have my Euro4LX with the HAZ circuit... it's basically the same as an NS-2. I have a vintage NS-2A which is about to be fretless... I had taken the HAZ out but am putting it back it. I just like it better.

I'll have my NS-2JA reissue tomorrow. A much different sounding bass than the NS-2s... it's bolt on, it has J pickups and it has the EMG tone control.

And last is the USA NS-4. I spoke with PJ on the phone the other day and he's going to see if Stuart will do it as a 35" scale for me. Dual humbuckers (EMG DCs) and an 18v tone system with the optional Spector Piezo Bridge and Active Tone Controls. It'll sound a lot different than the NS-2 than the NS-2 fretless than the NS-2J...

With those four guitars I'll have a wide spectrum of sound choices available, all in a guitar which from model to model has the same neck, string spacing, sting height and body/feel. And they are the best quality you can get.

You just can't go wrong with that. You know?
 
I bought this one back in 2000ish. I don't have a clue what model it is. Any ideas? It's a five-string with EMG-HZ's, not made in the US. It's a neck-thru. There's a volume and tone knob for each of the two pickups. I can find the serial number, if that will help. May I have a number, please?
 

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anyone have experience with the none kramer-era NS-2's.
because now i have a euro 4lx coming my way, once i assemble the funds-
can anyone here like tell me the audiable differences between an USA NS-2 and a Euro 4LX???
 
The different Spector pre-amps...

Thanks for that. It was the most complete and concise explanation I've read yet. Very helpful. Now I need to get my hands on all of the others to compare them. But your description of the amount of control with the HAZLAB pre-amp has me pointed there.

I corresponded with one TB'er who had his NS-2-JA-R fitted with a HAZLAB and suggested I do the same. It required additional routing of the body cavity to fit it. I doubt I will go to those lengths before looking for an NS-2. If only because everything else is upgraded, too.

Time to go play my Spector now.
 
Marchone,

Most of the players on here do have Aguilar or EMG pre's in their basses, but there are a few of us (myself included) that have taken a different approach.

Check out East pre amps. A man from the UK by the name of John East makes some a great variety of flexible and high quality pre amps for a variety of basses. Hes got some models that are direct swaps for Jazz style basses, Music Man basses etc. There are models like the U Retro that can be put into other body styles.

I currently have a U Retro in my Euro 5. That gives me 3 stacked knobs, one stack controlling the volume and blend of the two pickups. Another with a bass boost on the bottom, and a high cut or boost on top. The third knob is a mid sweep on the bottom (allowing you to select a mid frequency from a preset range) and a boost/cut on top. To fill in the fourth hole in my bass I got an extra Mid control attached, essentially giving me a 4 band EQ right in my bass.

The benefits I find for having the control right in my bass is that I can easily switch to a variety of different sounds, without having to touch my amp. It's great for a live situation, as I can even change the EQ within a song!

Check it out and see what you think!

http://www.east-uk.com/
 
I bought this one back in 2000ish. I don't have a clue what model it is. Any ideas? It's a five-string with EMG-HZ's, not made in the US. It's a neck-thru. There's a volume and tone knob for each of the two pickups. I can find the serial number, if that will help. May I have a number, please?
It's an NS-2000 5 string.
 
I'd agree. Made in Korea.

Just a note. The same shop in Korea has made Spectors since 1986.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Korean Spectors, especially the thru-neck models.

They are very affordable alternatives to the more expensive Euro and USA models and they play nearly the same.

Rock on.

I had a NS2004 that played much better than the Euro I have now. It was a great bass all around.
 
I'd agree. Made in Korea.

Just a note. The same shop in Korea has made Spectors since 1986.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Korean Spectors, especially the thru-neck models.

They are very affordable alternatives to the more expensive Euro and USA models and they play nearly the same.

Rock on.

Great. Thanks, everybody. Yeah, I took it to a pretty well-known luthier here recently to get it tweaked. He was impressed with the build quality (except he said he had to redo some of the ground wiring) and said it was a solid instrument that I should enjoy for a long time. It beat everything else at the store when I bought it, and I would have paid more if I had found something better. Thanks again.
 
I corresponded with one TB'er who had his NS-2-JA-R fitted with a HAZLAB and suggested I do the same. It required additional routing of the body cavity to fit it. I doubt I will go to those lengths before looking for an NS-2. If only because everything else is upgraded, too.QUOTE]

Actually, according to PJ, only sleight routing of the "pot holes" is required as the pot shafts on the Hazlab are thicker than the Tone Pump shafts. The LX4 I'm trying out had the Tone Pump internal volume wide open so backing that off more than 50% has tamed that Ultra Hot output consideraby.

Still a 9v Hazlab with cut and boost would be interesting to compare to I think. Must ponder that idea for the weekend.

Cheers,

Mr. BEAR
 
Actually, according to PJ, only sleight routing of the "pot holes" is required as the pot shafts on the Hazlab are thicker than the Tone Pump shafts. The LX4 I'm trying out had the Tone Pump internal volume wide open so backing that off more than 50% has tamed that Ultra Hot output consideraby.

Still a 9v Hazlab with cut and boost would be interesting to compare to I think. Must ponder that idea for the weekend.

Cheers,

Mr. BEAR
Also, according to PJ not all the tone pumps have an output control. The one I put into a Legend does not. In fact, the output is not nearly as hot as my NS2 with Aggie pre and EMG PJ's.

I'm eventually going to change them out, but I'm guessing the output problem is the EMG-SSD pickups. They sounded about as wimpy with the old pre. I had a Rebop for a while that had the EMG-HZ's with a non-output control Tone Pump and that was as hot as my NS2.

Has anyone else found the EMG-SSD's to have wimpy output, even with the Tone Pump (not Jr.)?
 
Marchone,

Most of the players on here do have Aguilar or EMG pre's in their basses, but there are a few of us (myself included) that have taken a different approach.

Check out East pre amps. A man from the UK by the name of John East makes some a great variety of flexible and high quality pre amps for a variety of basses. Hes got some models that are direct swaps for Jazz style basses, Music Man basses etc. There are models like the U Retro that can be put into other body styles.

I currently have a U Retro in my Euro 5. That gives me 3 stacked knobs, one stack controlling the volume and blend of the two pickups. Another with a bass boost on the bottom, and a high cut or boost on top. The third knob is a mid sweep on the bottom (allowing you to select a mid frequency from a preset range) and a boost/cut on top. To fill in the fourth hole in my bass I got an extra Mid control attached, essentially giving me a 4 band EQ right in my bass.

The benefits I find for having the control right in my bass is that I can easily switch to a variety of different sounds, without having to touch my amp. It's great for a live situation, as I can even change the EQ within a song!

Check it out and see what you think!

http://www.east-uk.com/

Thanks for that info. It looks interesting but I have to say I've mostly been in JPSBassist's camp with keeping everything flat on my bass and adjusting tone at the amp. Too many knobs for this old boy coming from old school one of each tone and volume controls.
 
Thanks for that info. It looks interesting but I have to say I've mostly been in JPSBassist's camp with keeping everything flat on my bass and adjusting tone at the amp. Too many knobs for this old boy coming from old school one of each tone and volume controls.

It's all good!

Just figured Id pass the extra information along. Ive seen some great results with East's stuff, and Id like others to experience the same thing.

Whichever route you choose, you can go wrong, you ARE playing Spector after all ;)
 
I think I found the only thing I don't like about my new euro 4. I put some new strings on it last night and it was a major PITA. I guess I'm used to other bridges where the string is stuck in the bridge and can't come out making it easier to wind the string around the tuning peg. Every time I'd start winding it up the bottem end would pop out of the bridge. Any tips and tricks that you spector guys have? I gues I could use a piece of tape over the bridge slot's to keep them in place.
 
My new NS-2JA-R arrived yesterday. I LOVE IT!!!

Took some photos... my wife calls them "Spector Glamour Shots".

The Hercules rack is modular. I have another two spaces which lock into the end.

And I have two more Spectors on the way. My vintage which is getting defretted... if my luthier ever comes back from his vacation in Maui. And a USA NS-4.

Then I'll have a complete Harem... as my wife likes to refer to them. And yes... she's even named them. I tell her all the time it could be worse. I have a friend that collects Range Rovers...

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Also, according to PJ not all the tone pumps have an output control. The one I put into a Legend does not. In fact, the output is not nearly as hot as my NS2 with Aggie pre and EMG PJ's.
The Euro 4LX I just traded was one of the very first models. The TonePump in it didn't have the output adjustment feature the one in my brand new 4LX does.

And it was a lot more tame than the one in my new 4LX. My new 4LX came to me with the TonePump output set in the middle. The older 4LX was slightly less as strong output wise... and it didn't have the little dial on it for adjustment. So I'd agree that the older TonePumps are more tame.

I have a TonePump in my Q4. It has the HZ pups. It's got plenty of kick.
 
Is the neck on the NS-2JA-R more like a Euro or the NS2004?

It's identical to my Euro, minus the neck inlays. Same width, profile, thickness.

It's a really, really great bass. I can't believe these things haven't sold better.

The sound out of it is amazing. And the BADASS bridge actually allows me to set the action a little lower than what I can get away with on my 4LX without getting into buzzing territory.

I know the original NS-2 came with the BADASS bridge.

If Spector ever does a reissue of the original Brooklyn NS-2... I'm getting one.
 
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