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Squier/Doom Bassquiers 49: Squiers The Beef?

#525
Jason Hall said:
I really think the popularity of the new wave smurf folk has to do with identity issues rather than musicianship. My brother is a sales manager for an organic food supplier in California. He talks to me about hormone free beef and pesticide free veggies like he's part of some crazy cult at times. Everyone wants to save the planet... folk has that whole "save mother earth" niche going. Next thing we know, all the hipsters are forming drum circles and creating bands. There would be nothing wrong with any of that, except the music blows. They forgot some vital things, like learning to play their instruments and sing.

Everyone goes out and buys into it regardless of how good it is because they feel like they're making a difference listening to it. It makes me sick.
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I think you just nailed it man. Starting to see cover bands around here doing fully acoustic sets early evening at gastro pubs. Hipster heaven.

Why can't Hank III get popular?
 
#526
mc_muench said:
MattS, I feel the same way, there is something to be said that a good guitar player may not have the equipment yet or whatever and if you overlook them because of it you could be missing out. But then if your into this genre and want to play in a band, you need to realize that big rigs are an important visual aspect, that something like folk doesnt really have. Theres a fine line between gear snobbery and just getting the job at hand done, with whatever you have. That sucks that hes gotta leave though, arent you guys a pretty established band?
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thanks, this band has been going for about 3 years, maybe more since I sorta pieced it together from the ground up recording guitar riffs to better present to the members that became this band. We all met on craigslist actually, but the drummer and I have alot of mutual friends before meeting. We're pretty established, though it's been kinda slow but this has probably been one of my most enjoyable/rewarding band experiences to date and with probably the most relatable zero drama (this is a first for zero drama) bandmates i've ever jammed with eventhough we don't hang out as much as we'd like outside of band stuff i guess you could say but that's mostly work scheduling.

Which kinda reminds me of the topic of "vocalist vs. no vocals" I saw mentioned earlier in the thread. This is the first band I've ever done vocals for ever. Vocalists have almost always been a pet peeve of mine; egos, flakey, bad lyrics vs. good voice, no vehicle, live far away, arrogant, etc... They can often be like a bad girlfriend haha. I attempted to do vocals in a trio prior to this, because I didn't want to deal with vocalists anymore or atleast didn't want to search for one, I decided to do it myself. I took vocal lessons for 4 months, I'm mostly yelling my head off, but any vocals is all about breathing and confidence, and honestly I'm not a confident person in general. i'm definitely more confident with vocals i'm not hurting my voice and I enjoy it, but i do kinda miss being not-glued to a mic stand and going nuts with my stage presence. I didn't want to be instrumental either, eventhough i like a lot of instrumental music/bands, i always felt a better connection to vocals lyrics and i wanted to achieve that. i like writing lyrics too and I think others dig em too. just my few cents on the topic.

... but steinbergers?!?! really!?!? every one i've ever played bass and guitar sounded thin or too much high end. the only argument for em i can make is, I friggin love Cynic and they sound awesome and use those, but even theirs are more the fullbody ones. My drummer says "the gear can come later if he's good at riffing", but i don't know, that's kinda like waiting for someone to get good at their craft/instrument. "knowmsayinnnnn?" J-ROC
 
#528
MattS said:
thanks, this band has been going for about 3 years, maybe more since I sorta pieced it together from the ground up recording guitar riffs to better present to the members that became this band. We all met on craigslist actually, but the drummer and I have alot of mutual friends before meeting. We're pretty established, though it's been kinda slow but this has probably been one of my most enjoyable/rewarding band experiences to date and with probably the most relatable zero drama (this is a first for zero drama) bandmates i've ever jammed with eventhough we don't hang out as much as we'd like outside of band stuff i guess you could say but that's mostly work scheduling.

Which kinda reminds me of the topic of "vocalist vs. no vocals" I saw mentioned earlier in the thread. This is the first band I've ever done vocals for ever. Vocalists have almost always been a pet peeve of mine; egos, flakey, bad lyrics vs. good voice, no vehicle, live far away, arrogant, etc... They can often be like a bad girlfriend haha. I attempted to do vocals in a trio prior to this, because I didn't want to deal with vocalists anymore or atleast didn't want to search for one, I decided to do it myself. I took vocal lessons for 4 months, I'm mostly yelling my head off, but any vocals is all about breathing and confidence, and honestly I'm not a confident person in general. i'm definitely more confident with vocals i'm not hurting my voice and I enjoy it, but i do kinda miss being not-glued to a mic stand and going nuts with my stage presence. I didn't want to be instrumental either, eventhough i like a lot of instrumental music/bands, i always felt a better connection to vocals lyrics and i wanted to achieve that. i like writing lyrics too and I think others dig em too. just my few cents on the topic.

... but steinbergers?!?! really!?!? every one i've ever played bass and guitar sounded thin or too much high end. the only argument for em i can make is, I friggin love Cynic and they sound awesome and use those, but even theirs are more the fullbody ones. My drummer says "the gear can come later if he's good at riffing", but i don't know, that's kinda like waiting for someone to get good at their craft/instrument. "knowmsayinnnnn?" J-ROC
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I could overlook the steinberger, I guess but the amp is an issue. What I would do is have the rest of the band throw in and pick up a cheap 4x12 to put under the guy's combo. That would be a good stop-gap measure and playing with a bigger rig might ignite a gas fire and inspire him to get some better gear.

A former bandmate of mine said of another bandmate (from a different band):

"Chris is a great guy and he's extremely talented, but I will never be in a band with him.

"Why not?"

"His gear is terrible and it sounds like ****."

I didn't disagree with that.
 
#529
Jason Hall said:
I really think the popularity of the new wave smurf folk has to do with identity issues rather than musicianship. My brother is a sales manager for an organic food supplier in California. He talks to me about hormone free beef and pesticide free veggies like he's part of some crazy cult at times. Everyone wants to save the planet... folk has that whole "save mother earth" niche going. Next thing we know, all the hipsters are forming drum circles and creating bands. There would be nothing wrong with any of that, except the music blows. They forgot some vital things, like learning to play their instruments and sing.

Everyone goes out and buys into it regardless of how good it is because they feel like they're making a difference listening to it. It makes me sick.
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And then these ******** play "folk punk" and I HATE THAT BULL ****.

I don't give a **** about acoustic Lagwagon or Bouncing Souls. Take away the amps and that **** sucks. Just like what you guys are talking about. I blame Rise Against with that acoustic single from their major label debut on Geffen, Siren Song. Punk lost a good band. Dan Precision was one of the best and the guy that replaced him was cool too (met him when he was playing with Only Crime), but the singer turned it into a cash machine and now they write the songs that the record company tells them to. Sad.

I kinda hate acoustic music anyways. Bob Marley is probably the only thing I can do acoustic-wise. Goes back to why I started listening to Stoner Rock in the first place. Punk hasn't been doing much of anything and these **** acoustic bands/groups/single people, are getting on my damn nerves. Just die already!
 
#533
MattS said:
so my band Burrows www.facebook.com/burrowsct is losing one of it's founding members/guitarists before the end of the month as he was offered a sweet position out of state that he couldn't pass up to which he is relocating for. He wasn't looking to leave, i believe the offer was kinda all of a sudden and through his networking at his previous employer. We're all super bummed out as he is a cool dude, and we love the music we've been writing.
We plan to continue on we've been a trio (though our recording has two guitars but one left right after, kind similar situation actually), so we gotta find a new guitarist, which I absolutely dread, and guitarists that are good and have decent gear are very difficult to find in CT for this kind of music eventhough i feel we get a good amount of praise/popularity in the area.
I'm miserable without a functioning band so I don't like to hesitate and i've been searching and spreading the word as much as I can, we haven't played a show since early december and we had to cancel our next show because of all this. I was in touch with a guitarist recently who seems very much into our music and stoked to give it a try BUT my hesitancy is that he has kinda crappy gear. He's got a 2x12 combo of some sort and just bought a steinberger baritone guitar that he was gonna buy anyways but plans to use for this band over his strat that he uses for other stuff. I hate steinbergers personally, but I can't possibly see how a band goes from using les pauls and SG's to someone use a canoe paddle for guitars. We're a beefy band. Where's the beef with a steinberger? We also play with two guitar cabs, one on each side which has sounded amazing since doing so kinda recently and we never wanna go back to one guitar cab unless it's a small/smaller venue. A 2x12 doesn't seem like it's gonna balance out. Am I being too picky/gear snobby? my drummer doesn't think it's a big deal, but he's a drummer knows nothing about guitar, but when I sent him a pic of the guitar this guy plans to use my drummer's response was "that's probably the worst thing I've ever seen" hahaha.
What do you guys think about the gear of those who want to audition? do you ever communicate your preferences of that sort? do you not bother, say "no thank you", if they use crap? I think any/every other guitar can work in our situation over that canoe paddle with active pickups (active pickups aren't thaaat bad, jus sayin). At the same time, beggers can't be choosers and if this guy is a totally lame as a dude then the gear stuff is a moot point. And who knows maybe he is cool, though I have no clue of what his playing/writing ability is cuz he doesn't have any recordings of his own at this point. Curious about your experiences and feedback my stoner/doom/sludge amigos.
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if i was somewhere else in my life I would play with u guys but alas i dont have the time. I will keep my ears out for a guitarist for ya
 
#534
Jason Hall said:
I didn't see it.. but I heard there was a doom acoustic band that played near me a few months back. 2 acoustic guitars... no bass or drums... WTH? Needless to say my friend who went said it wasn't good.
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I have often thought about doing an acoustic doom band but it would most certainly not be like that. I was thinking I would play upright (this probably why it hasn't happened because a half decent upright is not in my price range), drums, and then all the lower horns (tuba, bari sax, trombone). I think it could be some really epic music but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Two acoustic guitars? I don't see how that could be doom. Not to say that someone couldn't make some dark, depressing, foreboding stuff with just two acoustic guitars but would it be doom...
 
#536
We're playing a double set soon. Need covers. Any suggestions? Need it to be about serial killers or horror/ b-movie.

We added Buffy the vampire slayer theme song to the set for shitzengiggles. Took a bit for me to figure out how to do that intro organ part. Fulltone bass drive+chorus+plucking octaves. Pretty fun. Neighbor can hear us usually. She came over to high five us. Lol.
 
#538
DethByDoom said:
We're playing a double set soon. Need covers. Any suggestions? Need it to be about serial killers or horror/ b-movie.

We added Buffy the vampire slayer theme song to the set for shitzengiggles. Took a bit for me to figure out how to do that intro organ part. Fulltone bass drive+chorus+plucking octaves. Pretty fun. Neighbor can hear us usually. She came over to high five us. Lol.
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Church of Misery cover set?
 
#540
I hope everyone's band situations works out. It's a bummer when people quit. Especially awkward when band members don't think the can afford to say no to someone who doesn't really fit. Reminds me when friends start dating girls they don't really like, because they feel like they can't do better. Boo to that, wait until it feels right...then you can knock them musical boots to the break of dawn. That analogy got away from me.

I kind of like some folk, I don't listen to radio music so I have no idea who the mumford and their sons are and what they sound like. I don't like much acoustic music, so it better really knock my socks off if you're playing a grandpas guitar. Nick Drake got brought up recently, I love Pink Moon and I only listen to that a couple times a year. I do like The Weepies and I put them on when I want to relax every now and again.

I don't have much interest in acoustic sets from bands. Unless they really put a lot of effort into arranging the song for that format and do a great job, like covering your own band.

Lazarus.Bird said:
Against Me! is one of my favorite bands. Their first couple of albums anyways. One of the strangest lineups I've ever seen was These Arms Are Snakes, Cursive, Against Me!, and Mastodon.
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That is a weird lineup...but all those bands have albums I like. The only one I've ever seen live was Cursive, in 2004 I think, and they were really good.
 

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