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Squier VM Tele Bass Mods (Including Added Mute)

iiipopes

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I bought myself a Squier VM Telecaster Bass as an after-Christmas project. Here are the results:

1) The bass has a 32-inch scale. My hands don’t like 34-inch scale anymore. This raises issues with strings. The GDA strings are my favorite Fender 9050 45-60-80. I like them even better on this bass as the shorter scale causes them to have the same lowered tension as a conventional bass tuned down to Eb, making them easier on the hands. Note the A string wraps right to the edge of the speaking length at the post, but not further. But for the E string I had to use a DR Legend stainless steel flat 105, as it was the only flat wound E string I could find that was stainless (not chrome or nickel), proper scale for the bass, and 105 gauge. Fortunately, the tone coordinates well enough, so I bought a spare. Yes, La Bella makes medium scale flat wound strings, but the “old school” tone of La Bellas is the opposite of the growl of the 9050’s. But I might try them as some point.

2) Narrowed bridge spacing. The bridge, even though styled as a ’51 style bridge with brass saddles, is narrower: @ 2 1/8 inches G-E rather than the vintage 2 1/2, which is preferable for my right hand. But because of this, the string spacing over the pickup is narrower, and I could not find anybody to make me a split coil ’51 style humbucking pickup. The physics and required coil geometry for the tone just aren’t gonna happen.

3) The mute. After reading this thread Installing a Jaguar mute on a P-Bass | TalkBass.com I had to have a mute. I found Fender reproduction parts at a reasonable cost.

4) The wiring on this bass is original. The three tones are really, really, good and different: 1) the dub tone actually has character, not just thump; 2) the conventional V-T setting is very versatile; and 3) the baritone is more than just a simple bass cut in-line capacitor, and to my ears contours the midrange to make the setting a true baritone.

5) The Poplar body has just enough more mids than an alder body to bring out the tone of the growly Fender 9050 flats without going nasal. When these strings die a decade or two from now, I might go with Ernie Bass stainless flats, which have a similar, but more subdued character.

6) I do not own any instrument for “collector” value or “vintage” value. To me, all my instruments must be ready to gig as required or desired. So I changed out the bridge for this one: 4 String Bass Bridge For Bass Guitar L Shape Saddle 18mm Spacing Chrome 634458184885 | eBay . The G string grooves in the plate only come out so far, dictating a placement that resulted in having to trim the intonation screws and springs on the A and E string saddles for the saddles to go back far enough. Yes, I drilled for oversized mounting screws so I could lock that bridge down and have maximum sustain.

7) The pickup. I wondered why the stock pickup pole pieces are spaced E-G 1 15/16 inches, instead of the 2 inches actual measured string spread at that point. It turns out the Duncan Designed ’51 style bass pickup is not a purpose-designed pickup just for that model bass, despite the name. After research, I found it is a Vista-Tone bass pickup with a different name printed on the top of the bobbin. Compare the two: same pickup visually, same bobbins, same single coil with @ 9 kohms’ worth of wire; same diameter pole pieces spaced the same. The only difference I can find is the label: “Duncan Designed” rather than “Vista-Tone.” No, CBS style corporate recycling is not dead.

8) Those who have seen my posts over the years will confirm that I advocate a rails-type humbucking Strat pickup as the standard replacement for deficient MusicMaster and Bronco pickups, a relatively simple swap as they are the same size. I put my money where my mouth is: I found a used Duncan Designed version of a Hot Rails on-line inexpensively. It has about 12 kohms’ worth of wire on it, so it also has a little bit of mid push, but not so much that the desirable growl of the 9050 flats becomes nasal, hard or forced.

9) Neck. My neck is great. It is a slab neck with essentially zero run-out of the grain. You can see the end grain freckles in a straight line all the way from the nut to the butt on both edges, with tight rings when you look at the end of the butt, which show it is a well-made stable neck carved out of a great piece of wood. It fits my hand better with a 1.7 inch wide nut and 2.38 inch wide butt, which is, of course, wider than a J-bass or some P-Basses at the nut, and narrower than 2.5 inch Fender standard at the butt. Why 1.7 at the nut? Hmmm. I did some reverse math, and that is approximately the width of a P-bass at the first fret, which is two inches from the nut on a 34-inch scale.

10) Some of the earlier posts in the mute thread talk about the foam rubber damping the strings either too much or too little. The plate that I bought has a crown radius formed into the edge for the foam that matches the fretboard of the bass, keeping the damping even. Others may not. And to get the balance just right, as set forth in post #13 on that thread, the height of each of the two outboard screws can be raised or lowered to raise or lower either side of the mute to the desired amount of damping.

Well, there you have it: the realization in one instrument of many of the design elements I advocate in good passive 4-string bass design. Two niggles: 1) the bass would benefit from a reversed headstock to obviate any issues about using regular long scale strings; and 2) the poplar body is heavier than I would like. But the body weight does keep the bass from having neck dive with stock tuners. So, I will not be changing out the tuners for Hipshot Ultralites, as I have done on most of my other basses.

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Update: well, well, well. After playing it, it turns out my favorite flats, Fender 9050CL, have a little too much grind to bring out a good mute tone. With a mute, they lose the good side of the growl and sound like angry Dungeon and Dragon gnomes.

So I changed them out for a set of Optima RB's. For those unfamilar with Optima RB's, they are advertised as the spiritual successor to the OEM Maxima Flats Rickenbacker used in the '60's & '70's, and yes, they do that well. They have a little more mids and roundness of tone compared to La Bellas, which with a mute can sound a little hollow by comparison. No grind or zing by any means, just good, even, round tone.

But, they only come in long scale. So as the pictures show, to avoid having the speaking length wrap around the post, I use lengths of steel tubing, 6mm o.d. / 4mm i.d., to take up the slack. The headstock shows why all 32 inch basses with a 4-in-line headstock should be reversed. It allows for all long scale strings to be used, because it doesn't matter how you wind the G string (remember: a typical G string is 40-45, and low E guitar strings around the smaller guitar tuner post are @46 for electrics and 52-54 for most acoustic strings); the D string won't have enough around the post to worry about; and the A and E strings will be clear, with only the leader around the posts.

But I digress. The Optimas have enough character that they play well with the mute, have enough mids for definition so the mute doesn't make them sound thumpy, and does the vintage vibe very well, indeed. Pix:

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Great post. I just picked up one of these on the used market. (Where else?). I'm not thrilled with the bridge so regarding item #6 above, is that a direct replacement? Holes align? Also, what's up with the tubes? I'm guessing that allows you to use a specific string but you mentioned grooves and intonation. Can you elaborate? Sorry, I'm a drummer which explains a lot. Thanks again for this excellent post.
 
Great post. I just picked up one of these on the used market. (Where else?). I'm not thrilled with the bridge so regarding item #6 above, is that a direct replacement? Holes align? Also, what's up with the tubes? I'm guessing that allows you to use a specific string but you mentioned grooves and intonation. Can you elaborate? Sorry, I'm a drummer which explains a lot. Thanks again for this excellent post.
The bridge is not a direct replacement. You have to re-drill. You may also have to trim the E string intonation screw and spring so the saddle will go back far enough to intonate properly. The tubing is to extend the ball of the string so that I can use regular long scale strings on the medium scale neck so only the leader goes around the tuning post so it does not bind or break. If you can find medium scale strings, all the better.

Since you are a drummer, you will like this story. I was playing in a blues band some decades ago, and at a particular gig we had a substitute drummer. He had an attitude and was dissing everything I did, and bass players generally. I looked at him and quietly said that you never know when you are going to be rescued by a bass player. Sure enough, right before the first set ended, he broke a hi-hat chain. He was panicking, and I told him to stop it, sit down, and shut up. Of course, I always keep spare strings. So I looked at how the chain worked in his hi-hat, took one of my spare bass strings and a pair of pliers, and rigged it up where the chain broke to get him through the gig. There was the usual oh, wow, what can I ever do.... I told him to be more respectful of bass players. He promised never to diss one ever again. After the gig, I never saw him again.
 
Thanks for the reply and great story. I've been saved by bass players multiple times but never in a McGuyver/mechanical way. That's awesome. On one occasion I was sub drumming and being inexperienced, I ran over the end of a song slightly. Bass player rescued me by laying down 1 note. ONE NOTE I SAY! Made all the difference. Not to be over-dramatic but I've never forgotten that. Coincidentally, he asked me to fill in recently with his cover band and what's been 20 years later.

On the bridge, I might get adventurous and try that. Like you, I want to be able to play them and I'm not opposed to mods for the sake of improvement.
 
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