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Squier vs. Fender ?!?
- Thread starter Atshen
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Fender made some of the best J pickups I've ever heard -- the Super 55 -- for a while. Then Fender quit making them. I have no idea why.
Fender licenses Warmoth to make bodies and necks to Fender specs. Fender could quite easily offer a ton more options for different/exotic woods for bodies, necks, and fretboards, simply by contracting with people they've already granted licenses to. But they don't. They still offer necks in any wood you want as long as it's maple. And sometimes rosewood.
I think I agree with your assessment. They don't really know how to innovate, so they're pretty bad at it.
Surely Fender bases their decisions on market trends and what people are actually buying... not what everyone says they want.
The American Professional II Precision is now offered in 7 colors... as per usual they always offer their standard colors and a couple others, each year or two they change it up. If at any time, one of these limited colors happens to consistently surpass the basic black, white or burst in sales, they would keep that color on. I suspect that after the newness of the non-standard color wears off, the sales trends drop off considerably and the numbers continue to favor the standards.
The American Professional II Precision is now offered in 7 colors... as per usual they always offer their standard colors and a couple others, each year or two they change it up. If at any time, one of these limited colors happens to consistently surpass the basic black, white or burst in sales, they would keep that color on. I suspect that after the newness of the non-standard color wears off, the sales trends drop off considerably and the numbers continue to favor the standards.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
The Strat, the Tele, the Precision and the Jazz are still being made. Why? Because they sell, and sell well.
There are lots of models that are no longer made (Performer, Starcaster, Urge, Zone, Dimension, etc.). Some of them were pretty good, but they just didn't sell.
It's not that they can't innovate. It's just not worth the time and investment.
Don’t take anyone’s opinion seriously if they’re for some reason unable to spell S-Q-U-I-E-R correctly. 
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Yep. Innovation is in the blood of Fender - it’s what Leo did. It’s the customer that doesn’t want to change, and Fender is smart to keep the golden goose alive.
If you want a more unique Fender, you can always go custom shop.
Buying used outside US is not so easy, especially for fretless or five stringers that are hard to find. And with the inconsistent quality, you really need to try before you buy. Mod shop also not available here.
So, it remains a dumb move (IMO) not to offer these models in black.
I once heard Jack Cassidy (the father of the "actors"; not the musician) saying: "I wish people would put a glottal stop between my names because I'm tired of being known as 'Jackassidy'"
Get what you want, and leave it at that. We must all find happiness in the best way we can.
There isn't any Squire... or Squier for that matter, that is going to top either of these P Basses in my collection. Your mileage may vary.
It is not debatable that the Fender American basses have better construction, with better wood and hardware and with more attention to detail than the overseas versions. If you don't notice the differences... or don't care, then that is on you. No one said you had to dig my cup of tea.
It is not debatable that the Fender American basses have better construction, with better wood and hardware and with more attention to detail than the overseas versions. If you don't notice the differences... or don't care, then that is on you. No one said you had to dig my cup of tea.
When i first heard of them, i thought "a kids beginners bass with cheap parts", but it still played fine. Now they've up'd their game to making some fine instruments since---Don't let that "S" on the headstock fool you. Fender just released yet another "contemporary line" of Squirly basses...They dont look too bad.
Contemporary series <---
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/...xPxs-aTAFbDkKTne6ZOWnsdh7iSVh-qyQMDc64Ilowk8U
Contemporary series <---
https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2022/...xPxs-aTAFbDkKTne6ZOWnsdh7iSVh-qyQMDc64Ilowk8U
The best basses are the ones you actually pick up and play. 
Economics 101! Make no mistake, Fender is making a fortune selling the Squire Line that has made a credible affordable bass available for just about anybody that wants one.
Good Warmoth/licensing point. And those 55's are great.
Also, Leo got it right. Not much to innovate. Headless, graphite, fanned frets, and other fret arrangements have their place though.
CIC Classic Vibes have are known for the consistent attention to fit finish and playability. Fit refers to how well the component parts come together and the quality of workmanship, finish refers to the completeness of attention to detail like paint, routing, fret work overall feel and playability.
These were also crafted in the "Grand Reward" facility known for remarkable construction, tighter tolerances and attention to detail. The feel great, they sound great and they are just solid players.
If you get a chance to play each and compare I believe you would quickly realize why there is so much the hype over "Grand Reward" crafted Classic Vibes.
