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Squier vs. Fender ?!?

I spent an hour or so today on my Fender Tony Franklin fretless, then picked up my Squier CV 70s P for a fairly close comparison. Here are my thoughts.

The Lake Placid blue nitro finish on the Fender is perfection. Real craftsmanship, beautiful. The walnut urethane finish on the Squier looks great, but it’s just plastic, after all. No real contest here.

Body wood - who can tell? Nyatoh, whatever that may be, and alder (a more traditional tone wood) are listed on the Squier and Fender websites, respectively. Both basses feel reasonably light. In other words, not “boat anchors”. There’s no obvious difference in body resonance when the basses are played unplugged. I don’t think anyone could reasonably say that either bass was “better” body wood than the other.

The ebony fingerboard on the Fender is another perfect feature and not something you’d ever see on an entry level bass. The fret job on the Squier is, incidentally, very good, by the way. As good as I’ve ever seen on any bass, really. And you have to love the look of the black block markers on the maple board.

The P pickups in each bass sound very similar in both tone and output, just doing a direct AB comparison of open strings.The DiMarzio J pickup on the Franklin sig bass is, however, terrific - really strong and biting. No bridge pickup on the CV70s Squier, of course. Bridges, tuners, pots, et cetera - all seem solid, reliable and functional; no obvious major differences, really, other than the Hipshot Extender on the fretless. The so-called “undebatable” quality differences between hardware often reported seem exaggerated at best to me, and are probably completely mythical. Strings as supplied also seemed similar. No case with the Squier, great hard case with the Fender.

So, better wood and hardware used for the American bass? No, not really - apart from the ebony fingerboard, as previously mentioned.

But one definitely real difference was in the setup as supplied - the Fender was A1 and needed no adjustment, but the Squier neck had some serious backbow, which was fairly easy to sort out by leaving it tuned about a minor third sharp for a couple of days (it had arrived with the strings slackened right off). Now the Squier bass is well set up and plays and sounds great, as does the Fender.

In summary - the Fender cost me about six times the price of the Squier. Was it worth it? I guess it was, because I really love the bass. But it has to be admitted that the differences are fairly subtle and relate to predominantly aesthetic rather than functional aspects. Moral of the story - you pay a lot more money for these little differences. But I think we all know that anyway.

Thanks for reading. @Freddels - worth waiting for? :D

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Buying used outside US is not so easy, especially for fretless or five stringers that are hard to find. And with the inconsistent quality, you really need to try before you buy. Mod shop also not available here.
So, it remains a dumb move (IMO) not to offer these models in black.
Ok I get it…didn’t consider the limited overseas options…keep searching the classifieds here..you never know what will turn up..best of luck.!
 
There isn't any Squire... or Squier for that matter, that is going to top either of these P Basses in my collection. Your mileage may vary.

It is not debatable that the Fender American basses have better construction, with better wood and hardware and with more attention to detail than the overseas versions. If you don't notice the differences... or don't care, then that is on you. No one said you had to dig my cup of tea.

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Have you tried the MIJ Squier JV series from the early 80s? Maybe the most well built and consistent non-CS FMIC basses ever sold?
 
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Good Warmoth/licensing point. And those 55's are great.

Also, Leo got it right. Not much to innovate. Headless, graphite, fanned frets, and other fret arrangements have their place though.
The basic jazz and precision designs are pretty good as far as they go. I don't begrudge Fender the decision to just keep making them as a business model.

My issue with them is that they can't seem to innovate even within the confines they have set up for themselves. Offering necks with different wood types is an easy thing for them to do, and would cost them very little. Or getting a neck with a headstock painted the same color as the body. A little bit extra in terms of cost and time, but if someone is buying a new bass and spending a couple grand to do it, it should at least be an option.

The attitude of some people on here seems to be that if I want a bass with some of those somewhat unique options, I should be happy going to the Custom Shop and paying their prices. That mentality boggles my mind. But whatever. If Fender can't seem to offer choices to customers that are clearly within their power to offer, without a significant upcharge, I'm happy to go spend my bass dollars elsewhere.
 
The basic jazz and precision designs are pretty good as far as they go. I don't begrudge Fender the decision to just keep making them as a business model.

My issue with them is that they can't seem to innovate even within the confines they have set up for themselves. Offering necks with different wood types is an easy thing for them to do, and would cost them very little. Or getting a neck with a headstock painted the same color as the body. A little bit extra in terms of cost and time, but if someone is buying a new bass and spending a couple grand to do it, it should at least be an option.

The attitude of some people on here seems to be that if I want a bass with some of those somewhat unique options, I should be happy going to the Custom Shop and paying their prices. That mentality boggles my mind. But whatever. If Fender can't seem to offer choices to customers that are clearly within their power to offer, without a significant upcharge, I'm happy to go spend my bass dollars elsewhere.

Can we get a "love" button as well as a "like" button, please!
 
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CIC Classic Vibes have are known for the consistent attention to fit finish and playability. Fit refers to how well the component parts come together and the quality of workmanship, finish refers to the completeness of attention to detail like paint, routing, fret work overall feel and playability.

These were also crafted in the "Grand Reward" facility known for remarkable construction, tighter tolerances and attention to detail. The feel great, they sound great and they are just solid players.

If you get a chance to play each and compare I believe you would quickly realize why there is so much the hype over "Grand Reward" crafted Classic Vibes. :thumbsup:
I've played and worked on a number of Chinese Classic Vibe Strats from the famed Grand Reward factory and they were nothing special. The usual cheap electronics, average frets and sticky poly on the neck.
I've never had the chance to play one of the P basses though.

The couple of recent Indonesian CV basses I've tried were pretty good. The 70s Jazz and Precision especially because they have rolled binding on the neck.
 
The basic jazz and precision designs are pretty good as far as they go. I don't begrudge Fender the decision to just keep making them as a business model.

My issue with them is that they can't seem to innovate even within the confines they have set up for themselves. Offering necks with different wood types is an easy thing for them to do, and would cost them very little. Or getting a neck with a headstock painted the same color as the body. A little bit extra in terms of cost and time, but if someone is buying a new bass and spending a couple grand to do it, it should at least be an option.

The attitude of some people on here seems to be that if I want a bass with some of those somewhat unique options, I should be happy going to the Custom Shop and paying their prices. That mentality boggles my mind. But whatever. If Fender can't seem to offer choices to customers that are clearly within their power to offer, without a significant upcharge, I'm happy to go spend my bass dollars elsewhere.

If those things sold they would offer them. They don't so they don't.
 
I had a Chinese Squier CV '60s P bass which was a perfectly fine instrument except for the rubbery feel of the neck - unfortunate, since otherwise I liked its J style neck.
The MIM P that I replaced it with is much more stable.
 
Time and again we hear of "sticky necks". The neck finish on both my VM and CV Squires is glass hard urethane, Couldnt be sticky if it tried....super smooth.
I mean it gets sticky when your hand sweats, not necessarily all the time. However I notice a difference between the old MIC CV necks and the Fender glossy necks. The latter are much less goopy.
Anyway a few passes of sandpaper fix the issue.