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stage fright

As a kid, I'd done "plays" (total improv) with friends for families and such, no big deal. From 6th-12 grade I played trombone in band. Even when I solo'd (not often, but still), the band was around me and I didn't think much about it. Fast forward a few years, the first time I'm playing guitar and singing in front of about 30-40 friends. I only had an electric, and it wasn't really right for the situation, so a friend offered me his brand new Martin to play. First thing I did in my nervousness was whack it against a solid music stand. He just kept smiling, didn't flinch. Then just as I started, the music stand collapsed. I made a lame joke and managed to get through it. Later I found out nobody realized I'd been terrified; they thought I handled everything fine. And the guitar was miraculously undinged!

A year or so later, I'd been rehearsing with a singer/songwriter friend, thinking we'd eventually get a couple more people and look for gigs. He got us a gig as a duo without discussing it. I was not mentally/emotionally ready! "Don't worry, it's just music at someone's house for a dinner." I'm thinking background music. Maybe not too bad. We get there, and there are 30-40 chairs set up in a huge living room with an actual stage, PA, drums, and backline. Everyone else who was there was in gigging bands. We were up first. My mic didn't work. The mic stand collapsed. When I switched from guitar to bass for a song the bass cable didn't work. Etc. Every minor flub stood out to me like a train wreck. After our set was over I went to put our instruments in the van, and just stayed there. When Alan found me later he was pissed. "Everyone wanted to talk to you! They loved your playing and singing, especially on the song you wrote. They thought you handled the problems like a pro." I realized that I let the audience down far more by my insecure reactions than any defects in my playing. Also, I missed dinner. And really, after those trials by fire, it's pretty much been cake since.

Lesson learned? Just dive in.
 
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used to play with a guitarist who threw-up before EVERY gig.

pretty talented guy, but his nerves got the better of him.

anyone here who gets nervous before a performance?
I have a friend who randomly craps his pants in the most inconvenient situations, but he doesn’t even play an instrument.
 
I can still get nervous before a gig, but it depends entirely on the circumstances. For restaurant and bar gigs the only times I get nervous are if I'm singing lead on a song I haven't sung very often. Wedding gigs and corporates - I'm fine unless I have a solo spot where I feel thrust into the spotlight (I'm most comfortable out of the spotlight). Where I tend to get most nervous is theatre gigs where people are sitting in the dark with all of their attention on the stage. Most of the gigs I play are for people who are half-listening, so when I feel that people are actively listening with no distractions I feel like I'm under something of a spotlight. But then my level of anxiousness will depend on how well-rehearsed the show is, and how many times I've done it.
 
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I knew a guy (RIP) who had played with an arena filling Rock band (with top charting records in the late 1960's and early 70's) and stayed busy at high levels for many years. One of the true pros and an influence on many, including Billy Sheehan (at least Billy has said so in many interviews). He said that he still threw up before EVERY gig, small club or giant arena. But as soon as he walked on the stage he OWNED it. The absolute picture of cool and calm, with stage presence for miles.
 
For me, the only things always packed at home are my main amp and my gig bag (stands, power conditioner, etc.) If I need a second amp, I pack that up the evening before. Basses are chosen ahead of time for a gig while practicing; I pack them up after my last practice. My pedalboard goes in its case at that point as well. The wireless transmitters go in that case once charged. So no decisions to be made, just a spread out routine.

I used to wonder why bands didn't want much help, now I get it. Sure, help me carry some stuff in or out, but the only way I know things are as I like them is if I do it. So whether it's coiling cables or putting things into bags or cases, it's all me.
A BL I work with is always trying to get the rest of us to help break down and pack up. I get it with the PA, but beyond that it's a bunch of stubborn old pooders, BL included. Nobody knows - or cares to learn - how to over-under a cable, and stuff routinely ends up missing, left at home, or tossed in the wrong bag. Routinely mis-coiled cables have a predictably short shelf-life.

Fortunately, his wife or someone in his family can usually fetch from home, or he borrows a spare from one of us. The drummer and I both carry an extra mic and cable, and I've got a spare stand that lives in the car.

As for my own gear and cables, I follow a simple rule:

Don't help.

And yes to going out oin stage, whether during sound check or not, maybe even interacting beyond eye contact and a smile. My goal is 15 minutes between all checked out and time to play. If more, great, but at least that.

Stage fright? How I got past that is entertaining, but a separate story. Which is ironic since this is a stage fright thread.

Yeah, we may have some similar experiences. I've come to regard bar and restaurant entertainment as making close-quarters engagement feel as natural as possible. The closer you can get to pulling an audience into the kind of fun, good-natured ribbing that happens in the greenroom or between longtime partners-in-crime, the more people feel like they're part of the show instead of just watching it.

When folks head home feeling like they spent the evening with the band rather than merely listening to one, you've done your job.
 
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The banter between our 2 front line vox comes across very well. Its natural and spontaneous.

So I think we are engaging with a new audience.

There are basically 2 gigs here for the most part.
Party band vibe which means many bands play pretty much the same set. The problem here is how to differentiate .. and I think this is a short term play.
or
Listening playing band who offer a different set but still popular songs played well.
 
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A BL I work with is always trying to get the rest of us to help break down and pack up. I get it with the PA, but beyond that it's a bunch of stubborn old pooders, BL included. Nobody knows - or cares to learn - how to over-under a cable, and stuff routinely ends up missing, left at home, or tossed in the wrong bag. Routinely mis-coiled cables have a predictably short shelf-life.

Fortunately, his wife or someone in his family can usually fetch from home, or he borrows a spare from one of us. The drummer and I both carry an extra mic and cable, and I've got a spare stand that lives in the car.
Yeah, I have a spare mic cable and instrument cable in the amp's cover pocket and a bass case.
As for my own gear and cables, I follow a simple rule:

Don't help.
Safety first!
Yeah, we may have some similar experiences. I've come to regard bar and restaurant entertainment as making close-quarters engagement feel as natural as possible. The closer you can get to pulling an audience into the kind of fun, good-natured ribbing that happens in the greenroom or between longtime partners-in-crime, the more people feel like they're part of the show instead of just watching it.

When folks head home feeling like they spent the evening with the band rather than merely listening to one, you've done your job.
I haven't played anything bigger than a high school gym but I'm comfortable with any of it so far. But yeah, smaller gigs can be a bit more satisfying personally. I've never played an instrument in front of thousands but have spoken and done technical presentations for 500-1000 (including speaking to inmates at Jackson Federal Penitentiary) and been comfortable there (after another trial by fire for my first presentation).

I *did* run sound for a duo (close friends) for a couple of years back east -- local gigs and mini-tours over long weekends. The biggest gig was a festival of a few thousand people. The sound guy for the band before Gene & Janny refused to let anyone in the booth with him. When he was done he yanked the channel designation tape off the board (even though the mics were all provided by the festival). His band had run over and we were being pushed to get started. The band let themselves be pressured into starting without a soundcheck. We were a minute into the first song before I got keys into the mix. The whole weekend was weird.
 
I read somewhere Micheal Jordan used to basically tell himself stories to get himself into his "play mode."
So I figure I can tell myself stories too. Like, "70,000 hours on this thing, I should know how to play it by now."
For awhile I suffered from preparedness vs. the unknown factor. Then i learned about, Rehearse not Practice.
Then eventually, I just gave up giving a rip. I still enjoy the ride home all jacked up on adrenaline.
 
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This might be helpful to some people:

I used to be afraid to talk in front of people or "be on stage". So I became a waiter. At first I was nervous, especially with big parties of 30-50 people.

After constant repetition, within a matter of months, all stage fright was gone. I've never been nervous about going on stage since.
 
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I read somewhere Micheal Jordan used to basically tell himself stories to get himself into his "play mode."
So I figure I can tell myself stories too. Like, "70,000 hours on this thing, I should know how to play it by now."
For awhile I suffered from preparedness vs. the unknown factor. Then i learned about, Rehearse not Practice.
Then eventually, I just gave up giving a rip. I still enjoy the ride home all jacked up on adrenaline.
Do you actually have 70,000 hours on the bass? I remember Charles Bertaud saying he had 20,000 and I was amazed at that number. I calculate that I've done about 1,800 in last 2.5 years playing as much as I am physically able to do so. My other 18 years of playing was much more casual, so probably only added another 1,000 or so. At nearly 72 now, I'm not going to even get to break 10,000 (probably less than that), but I'll keep trying as long as my fingers will still move.
 
Do you actually have 70,000 hours on the bass? I remember Charles Bertaud saying he had 20,000 and I was amazed at that number. I calculate that I've done about 1,800 in last 2.5 years playing as much as I am physically able to do so. My other 18 years of playing was much more casual, so probably only added another 1,000 or so. At nearly 72 now, I'm not going to even get to break 10,000 (probably less than that), but I'll keep trying as long as my fingers will still move.
:laugh: Nope. This is/was sort of a mantra I could say to myself equivalent to "you got this."
I'm actually building bass hours pretty slowly, as there are three of us that don't play bass exclusively.
Hey, I'm 64 and I'm thinking this trade-off playing will save me from the cramps I get @ 3 to 4 hours straight.
 
I would be in the release of some bodily function group. I've said on here before that I'm a spare bedroom, hobby base player. Though I think a pretty decent one.
There is a guy I went to school with 50+ years ago that has played ever since. Solo some but mostly as a duo with another guy our age. All at smallish bar & grill type places. All acoustic. He comes over every so often and we jam to songs on his playlist. Some oldies, some originals. He has asked if I want to sit in at our favorite place which has a nice little patio. Where I know the staff and regulars. I've sat with them in a spot I might be if I were to play. Nope. Even that freaked me out.
 
Load-out matters just as much - it all contributes to my mind's gig picture. Same routine in reverse. Everything back to its spot at home, ready for the next time. Simple, repeatable. Last step at the venue is always a quick idiot check.
I call that "firetruck rules" - it doesn't matter how knackered I am, everything gets put back in its place and stockables restocked before I count the gig as "over".
 
I would be in the release of some bodily function group. I've said on here before that I'm a spare bedroom, hobby base player. Though I think a pretty decent one.
There is a guy I went to school with 50+ years ago that has played ever since. Solo some but mostly as a duo with another guy our age. All at smallish bar & grill type places. All acoustic. He comes over every so often and we jam to songs on his playlist. Some oldies, some originals. He has asked if I want to sit in at our favorite place which has a nice little patio. Where I know the staff and regulars. I've sat with them in a spot I might be if I were to play. Nope. Even that freaked me out.
I'm with you on that. I would love a jam with a few others but in no way am interested in performing in front of strangers. I have a young friend who plays guitar at a decent level, tried to learn bass but didn't keep it up. He's listened to some of my recordings, keeps trying to get me to come to an open mike at a local bar that is his weekly thing. I'm just not interested.
 
:laugh: Nope. This is/was sort of a mantra I could say to myself equivalent to "you got this."
I'm actually building bass hours pretty slowly, as there are three of us that don't play bass exclusively.
Hey, I'm 64 and I'm thinking this trade-off playing will save me from the cramps I get @ 3 to 4 hours straight.
That's a good mantra. I may try that. I don't get cramps, but the fingers just get sloppy after a couple hours, and pads/tips start to burn. No callous.