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Double Bass Stagg EUB megathread

I must say that I have two Staggs (got both together for the price of one with some slight damage on both), one has a good fingerboard where I can set the action lower (if it rattles it is on almost any note) and one with a less good fingerboard where I have to put the action much higher. I think the second one has a non-plan fingerboard, so some notes rattle more with a lower action than others.

Since the normal Stagg's fingerboard is painted, it could be a bump in the wood but also a differing thickness of the paint. Sometimes, specially when the action is rather low, a very small bump may cause a buzz. It doesn't need to be visable. In this case the board/paint below the fingered note where the buzz started nedd to be scraped off a very little bit. But since you can make things worse, if you don't know how to start and proceed, this is not something to be done by an unexperienced DB DIYer.

If you want to try it, start at the lowest fingered note that buzzes, scape until the buzz vanishes or starts as early as normal on the fingerboard, and then proceed to the higher fingered notes. And don't stick to the notes of the chromatic scale, this is a continuous pitch thing, halftones are too much spaced to get it right. But without scooping the fingerboard, you only can make it a little bit better, it won't solve the real problem.

Other strings might help too. I got a used set of Presto Balance Hybrid Medium (polish strings, that are available in Germany too, but not in the USA) and they fit well on the bass, have a little bit more tension, but the rattling is just a little bit less. But nicer strings than the stock ones. They are also available in light tension.

I'm afraid the Stagg has to be played lightly, not by digging into the string too much like I would do on my acoustic bass or my Clevinger EUB, which both have very nice fingerboards (after some planing).
 
I’ve read posts from people stating that they’ve put Spirocores/Helicores on without any mention of a mod’. All my spare sets of strings come out about half an inch too short.

I think that “Innovation” will make custom lengths to order, I would prefer Helicores.

I’m thinking of making a small new tailpiece to be attached through the string holes on the existing one, it wouldn’t damage anything, and give me more options for different string lengths, whist maintaining the existing under-string angle.
 
I always try the string on my 110cm acoustic bass first. So I might have pre-stretched them on the acoustic by 1 cm. I never had the Honeys on the Stagg, but I hold the Honey A on the Stagg and it would fit. I have a prototype set from Innovation that I got from Innovation and put it on the Stagg and it did fit.

You can hold the string 1 cm over the nut when tuning up until the silk gets behind the nut and then drop the string in the nut slot. That's what I did with some strings on my acoustic bass when they were a little bit too short out of the box. Or pre-stretch them on a different instrument.

Since I have a 110cm acoustic I almost only use 4/4 Spiros. The 3/4 could possibly be 1 or 2 cm too short (and they don't stretch as much as the Innovations), but might fit. On the Spiros, you might cut off the silk a bit and fix the rest of the silk with some glue, that should work. Using the 4/4 Spiros would be a good idea anyway, because they have less tension (on the same scale) than the 3/4 Spiros of the same tension name and this is good for the Stagg to avoid breaking the headstock.
 
I always try the string on my 110cm acoustic bass first. So I might have pre-stretched them on the acoustic by 1 cm. I never had the Honeys on the Stagg, but I hold the Honey A on the Stagg and it would fit. I have a prototype set from Innovation that I got from Innovation and put it on the Stagg and it did fit.

You can hold the string 1 cm over the nut when tuning up until the silk gets behind the nut and then drop the string in the nut slot. That's what I did with some strings on my acoustic bass when they were a little bit too short out of the box. Or pre-stretch them on a different instrument.

Since I have a 110cm acoustic I almost only use 4/4 Spiros. The 3/4 could possibly be 1 or 2 cm too short (and they don't stretch as much as the Innovations), but might fit. On the Spiros, you might cut off the silk a bit and fix the rest of the silk with some glue, that should work. Using the 4/4 Spiros would be a good idea anyway, because they have less tension (on the same scale) than the 3/4 Spiros of the same tension name and this is good for the Stagg to avoid breaking the headstock.

Thanks for the info. I wonder how the Innovations would sound on the Stagg, I think that they can make a custom set. I was hoping to use the Helicores, I like the Innovations but they have just a little too much much “thunk” for me sometimes. But that might be just what the Stagg neeeds.
I’ve used it on a couple of gigs and got a very positive reponse so far..
 
At the moment I have Presto Balance Hybrid Medium on my Stagg. Some more tension, not so pleasant in thumb position, but I might need to lower the action after the Innovation prototypes. And there is also a Hybrid Light set available. They fit very well on the Stagg.

Maybe the Presto Nylonwounds / Eurosonics (rope steel core, Nylon windings) would be nice too.
 
At the moment I have Presto Balance Hybrid Medium on my Stagg. Some more tension, not so pleasant in thumb position, but I might need to lower the action after the Innovation prototypes. And there is also a Hybrid Light set available. They fit very well on the Stagg.

Maybe the Presto Nylonwounds / Eurosonics (rope steel core, Nylon windings) would be nice too.

The Stagg was an impulse buy. I’ve still got 20 years of D/B strings, so it would be a shame not to be able to use them. A new set would cost over 25% of the Staggs’ price..
 
This is genius!

My one complaint about the Stagg (and most EUBs) is that without the large DB body, it's hard to play because you can't really rest it against your body and instead have to use your fretting hand to steady it. It slows you down.

I looked into the folks that put a snare drum stand on the bottom. Ya that makes it free standing, but also makes it perfectly vertical. It's hard to play without a little bit of lean in it.

The stand mod is PERFECT! Just enough lean back, and rock solid free standing.

Genius, I say. Genius.

This is a side-view of the bass on the stand.... notice the "latch" snapped in place. The latch-end broke off, but it is still functional...
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And a close-up of the bass with the neck support holding the neck just below the bass-boost knob. Notice that I swing the neck latch in-between the body and neck....
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One last shot in the stand with the peg dropped down. I'm 6'0", so the peg is out eleven notches....
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Next post will be playing option #2.....
 
A few days ago I played the new Stagg EDBs on Musikmesse Frankfurt, the solid neck one (like the older Staggs) with the enhanced headstock and the one with the rosewood fingerboard (and of course also the enhanced headstock).

I couldn't get an amp there and did hear almost nothing due to the noise in the hall, but the one with the rosewood fingerboard was definitely nicer to play than the other one. The strings also didn't rattle as much as on the other Stagg (both with more or less the same string height). The I checked if one of the necks/Fingerboards are cambered. The rosewood fingerboard was a bit cambered, but the fingerboard surface of the solid neck instrument was not (like the old solid necks with the weaker headstock).

I didn't check for the presence of a trussrod on the instruments, but assume the solid neck has one but the rosewood fingerboard instrument doesn't have (and need?) it.

If I would like to buy a Stagg again, I would take the rosewood fingerboard one.

I thought that would be of some interest to some of you.
 
I can concur with what DoubleMIDI said. I just bought a new Stagg RDL model (the deluxe model with rosewood fingerboard and better construction).

It feels really solid all around. The fingerboard actually feels like you're playing on wood. There is no truss rod. The bridge is supposed to be painted maple, but it still feels like plastic to me. Maybe it is maple and the use some kind of plastic paint.

The one complaint I do have is the body bar on the bass side. It fits into the two holes easily and screws in with a surrounding "collar" on the end of the bar. However, while the screws work fine, the way the bar is attached to the screw is a bit loose. So the bar rattles a bit when playing aggressively. It's not a major problem, just an annoyance.

It comes with a nice gig bag with two interior pockets to hold the body bars and an outside bow pocket. However, the bag is not padded, so it's good for storage but offers no protection for transport.

Anyway, it sounds great. The Volume and Sub Bass controls work well. You really don't need a pre-amp to tame the Piezo squeak, the built-in controls take care of that.

It came set up perfectly. It was detuned a half step. The dot position markers are dead on all the way down the fingerboard. In comparison, on my Ergo, the dot positions are a bit off above the 12th position.

I never played one of the older Stagg models, so I can't compare them. But this new Deluxe model is well worth the money. Especially of you get a good deal. I basically got mine for less than half the retail price. And it is new, in the box, not a second or restock or anything.

I put in a low "Best Offer" on eBay and they accepted it. It's obvious that retailers are charging way more than cost on these things. The standard models sell in the $600 range and the Deluxe versions in the $750 range. So if you can bargain for one, you can safely knock off $200-$250 and the dealer will still make money.

All in all, I think this is a good bargain on a cheap but well made EUB. While the Deluxe version sells about $100 less than a Palatino EUB (which I was looking at also), I like the sound and the feel of the Stagg better.

I also have the Stagg stand like Noshtero has. It's great for holding the Stagg when not in use. It is very heavy and cumbersome, so I can't see how it can be used easily while playing on stage. The two "feet" are very long and stick out pretty far in the back, so they look like they would be in the way when playing. But if Nosh figured out a way to use it, that's great. It certainly is sturdy and can't easily be knocked over.

By the way, has anyone used Weed Wackers on their Stagg? How do they sound?
 
"...so I can't see how it can be used easily while playing on stage. The two "feet" are very long and stick out pretty far in the back, so they look like they would be in the way when playing."

Dean T, those are my photos in the post above yours, and I want to tell you the stand is not in the way when playing on stage. I always set my Stagg on the stand these days when I play, especially because I switch back-and-forth between the Stagg and my electric bass. It allows me to move around freely and be more animated on stage as well...

The bottom legs can be "tucked up " for easy transport, but I've left them in the "fixed" position for quite awhile now, which doesn't lesson it's portability... it was well worth the cost, and shipping to Hawaii. I also bought the hard case and use it now, because my Stagg was one of the older models with the weak headstock, which snapped off (that story and pictures are way back in this thread....)

Bottom line is, if you decide to use the stand on stage, you'll get used to it quickly and enjoy the freedom, and stability it offers....
 
OK. I've been using the Stagg stand for a while and it's really beginning to bother me.

It's a great stand and it's sturdy as a tank. But its adjustability is a bit lacking. I have to put the Stagg away with the end pin extended all the way. And I hate doing that. I'd rather be able to put it away in playing position so I can just grab it and play without having to adjust it first.

The problem seems to be the bottom "fork" thingy doesn't slide down very far enough to let the end pin stay in the bass.

Anyone have any good alternatives to the Stagg stand?
 
OK. I've been using the Stagg stand for a while and it's really beginning to bother me.

It's a great stand and it's sturdy as a tank. But its adjustability is a bit lacking. I have to put the Stagg away with the end pin extended all the way. And I hate doing that. I'd rather be able to put it away in playing position so I can just grab it and play without having to adjust it first.

The problem seems to be the bottom "fork" thingy doesn't slide down very far enough to let the end pin stay in the bass.

Anyone have any good alternatives to the Stagg stand?

I use my stand all the time, and I Never extend the end pin. When I'm done playing, I just put my Stagg back in the case until the next gig. I used to extend the pin, but found no good reason to do so. After adjusting the fork rest for the height I want the bass to be at, I adjusted the neck rest so it sits just under the bass boost knob. Since then, I haven't adjusted the stand, I just set it up and use it.

I did have to bend the fork rods up a bit to prevent the bass from sliding off, and after doing that, I've had no problems, and like I said above, I never pull the end-pin out anymore. See if this works for you....
 
I tried that, but then the Stagg sits with all of its weight on the little bottom fork. I'm afraid it'll get knocked off (I've got two kids) and/or somehow damage the bottom of the bass.

Didn't know you kept it on the stand, and had kids to worry about!:) I really don't think it's going to hurt the fork, or the bass... what I suggest is getting a small, thin bungy cord, and wrap it around the end-pin nut, and the stand to keep it secure, or a piece of velcro instead. Either one of these should work for you, and tell your children they can't step in Daddy's four-foot Stagg bass safety zone! :D

Just wanted to add, I don't think you're going to fin a more sturdy stand for your Stagg. I did a lot of checking around before I bought mine, and the only other stand I saw was taking a snare stand, and sticking the end-pin in it. That might be OK for onstage at a gig if the stage is tight, but in your case, and with kids, the Stagg stand I believe is the way to go.

I'll try to post some updated pictures soon for you, to see how I'm using the stand these days... but, don't be afraid to get creative, and find materials and/or methods that you feel will keep your Stagg secure.... good luck, and Aloha!