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Double Bass Stagg EUB megathread

I have had my Stagg for four years now, and I would definitely recommend getting it. I am a self-taught multi-instrumentalist, and this was really my first go at playing a bowed instrument; I bought an inexpensive German-style bow (on the recommendations of other players) from Thomann, and got some good sounds with it using the stock strings (admittedly I'm not fussy!). Unfortunately the bow got broken and I haven't replaced it yet (I mainly use the Stagg for home recording rather than gigging). Apparently a German-style bow is easier to hold and more forgiving for beginners, but of course a French-style one will be closer in shape and behaviour to a violin bow.
 
The Stagg sounds rather good bowed, even with the stock strings (I assume the Preludes might not be much better).
The problem with the Stagg is the body support which is a rubber plastic coated aluminium rod that bends a bit under tension and the general problem of most EUBs that they easily rotate around the length axis when using the bow, even if they have a more solid body support. (In my opinion one reason for this is that the mass is concentrated very close to the length axis, the other one the body support which is often only a rind of bent rod.)
A Warwick Triumph Lite might be a better EUB and not too expensive. If you would still like a Stagg get the more expensive one with the rosewood fingerboard.
Avoid any tripod based EUBs if you would like to train for an acoustic DB, a DB doesn't have a tripod.

Why do you think cou cannot use an acoustic bass? Noise, transport, weight?

About the bow:
I don't know the Thomann bow, but heard good things about the Carbondix.
For a french bow the chinese Yitamusic bow on Ebay gets a lot of good reviews. I have the german Yitamusic, which is too soft in my opinion.
I think for a beginner the kind bow is not too much important, you might need a rehair after a year (or two) that might cost the same as a cheap carbon fiber bow. So on a cheap bow the hair quality might be more important than the quality of the stick.
Black hair is rougher than white hair, it grabs better but the sound is also rougher. (I prefer that for the lower notes like in an orchestra.) White hair can differ largely, you might need to check some bows out. The hair shouldn't be too thin.
 
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It had taken a knock at some stage, nothing apparently wrong until the key twisted loose. Appears just pressed onto the shaft. I will try some epoxy but not hopeful of geting a result.

They generally have a fair bit of lash so I wouldn't mind upgrading. If anyone has a recommendation I'm all ears.
 
Just a guess, but I suspect that the only difference between the Stagg tuners and generic bass guitar tuners (2+2) is the design of the string posts. I bet that if you dismantled a standard bass guitar machine head the Stagg string post would perfectly replace the standard one.
 
The Stagg sounds rather good bowed, even with the stock strings (I assume the Preludes might not be much better).
He I know. Usually default equipped strings are rubbish, I'm not shure of how much better a set of prelude would be (I guess they are something like Pirastro Violino or Thomastik Vision) but still I don't know if it would be wise for me to cash for a definitive (expensive) set of string without any experience.

The problem with the Stagg is the body support ....[CUT]
Would the Stagg SV-EDB Stand be recommended?

If you would still like a Stagg get the more expensive one with the rosewood fingerboard.
I think so, as the rod / fingerboard is 3/4 of a bass IMHO. I'm asking Thomann if they can provide one.

Avoid any tripod based EUBs if you would like to train for an acoustic DB, a DB doesn't have a tripod.
Why do you think cou cannot use an acoustic bass? Noise, transport, weight?
Actually if I could be so bold: I don't care at all ;)
I play violin and that is my curse, as for the bass I'm all about ease of use and fun: that's a electric instrument for me, light and easy to move around. But i miss the bow on my Precision EB. And I guess I couldn't get a decent UB with less then 1500e, while a 400e/500e EUB is way easier to part from.

About the bow: [CUT]So on a cheap bow the hair quality might be more important than the quality of the stick.
I second that, for bows a very important actor is hair quality: I have a carbondix for violin and the hairs are nothing better than those of the cheap bow you can find in inexpensive set (usable nevertheless). IMHO it would be better to have a 100e bow with a possible re-hair than a 250e carbondix as is.

Thanks all for your comments.
 
I don't know where you are located, but since you mentioned Euro, it might be in europe.

You can get cheap asian and romanian basses from Gedo-Musik in Germany (Invalid Link Removed). It would be best to visit them and test out their basses (talk to them a week before so that they can prepare the models you are interested for trial). I have been there and the basses could be very different.
Expect to pay something between 500 and 1000 Euro for a plywood or carved top instrument. A lot of british bass players ordered basses from them (look into the basschat.co.uk-forum) and are happy with them.
I have been there for several times, looking for a nice second instrument. Unfortunately I have a good 4/4 instrument and it was hard to find a cheap one that sounded as good as my 5-string german bass, but I found one and rather cheap. The other instruments are more or less OK, but to find a really nice one you have to go there. If you only want a cheap instrument and don't care too much about the best sound for the money, you can order one. But then have a look at the basschat.co.uk forums which models they bought.

Also Thomann has cheap basses, but you get a bit more bang for the buck (and choices) at Gedo-Musik.
 
Me is in Italy, an order from Thomann is easy as there are no shipping fees over 400e and the return policy / customer support is very nice: I've got one month to test the instrument and send it back in case (this would be just for the EUB, stand and the bow).
And in stores around here it sells for ~150e more so it's good re-trade value if I get bored.

Gedo are in fact quite popular on bass-chat: thanks for the advice.

But as far as I'm concerned I'm looking for a EUB with a bow. And saving some euro would be nice 'couse I plan to buy a good violin sooner or later. Cremona is near me but it's a tought shopping place if you're not a japanese ;)
 
Just found this thread on "another" bass forum. Looks like I was right. Just buy a similar bass guitar tuner and change the string post for the old one.

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I guess BG tuners have close enough the same gearing, never took one apart before... The post is detachable from the big gear wheel? Need it back up and running pronto.

I could get another O.E. from local distributor, would like to replace the lot with more robust stuff before I get another failure.
 
Update: Thomann customer service informs me tha the EDB can't mount Daddario Preludes:
I recommend to use 4/4 size strings for this instrument, because the tailpiece is on a verry low position. 3/4 size strings would be too short.
Daddario strings are only in a 3/4 size. They don't produce 4/4 size trings.
And buuuu, no RDL luxury model from them.
 
The Presto Balance Hybrid Medium (or Light) from Jonas Lohse in Germany will work fine with the Stagg. And they sound very good.

In Germany I only found one place yet (but cannot remember) where the RDL version was announced and none where they were already available. (But this was some months ago.)
I got a cheap RDL without tuners and electronics for a low price and now look out for some replacement parts for it.
 
Good news, the epoxy holds up for the meantime.

Bad news, NZ distributor holds no spares.

Golihur have some nearly identical looking ones which are supposed to be original on other cheap EUB. I hope the Stagg ones are a nasty copy. There is a tiny little tang inside the winding key shaft which goes into a slot in the gear shaft. Hard to say what was holding it together.

Should get some new strings, not that the originals don't still do the job. Cheap, not overly bright, long lasting, same gauge as original would be good.
 
510 Euro is a standard price for an RDL. Of course you might find it a bit more expensive too, but I haven't seen it under 499 Euro (and maybe this was an announcement not a real price). The lowest price for a non-RDL in Germany is around 400 Euro and the RDL costs about 100 Euro more. So the price is OK.

Spirocore Weich 4/4 have a similar tension as the Stagg stock strings, but last much longer and are a bit brighter (a lot brighter during the first few weeks of playing). They are also long enough. You might like to cut the pegbox silk end a bit but seal the ends with some glue to avoid unravelling of the silk and windings there.

The Presto Balance Hybrid Light should also have a similar tension as the stock Stagg strings (my Medium ones have about 15% more tension on the G to 7% more on the E). They are a bit better for bowing, still nice for pizz but probably don't last as long as Spiros.

Spiro Solo 3/4 have less tension on the lower strings which may cause more rattling than needed. Better get the 4/4 Spiro Weich (S42W). You won't need any new strings for the next few years then, just play them a lot (also with the bow!) during the first month.
The overly rich harmonics will calm down the more you play them.
 
I meant rich as in I'm not rich, but long lasting works too I guess.

Apologies but can I move the goalposts? After doing some more reading up on strings I think some lower tension ones might be up my street if the gauge isn't too much thinner.

I like a bit of meat in the string under my fingers, but I tried slapping the stock ones and it's not really happening so I could live with a but thinner if that's what it takes to get that going.
 
So if you like a bit thicker strings you can use either synthetic core metal wound strings (Obligato, Innovation Honeys or Braided, D'Addario Zyex, SuperSensitive Sensicore) for bow/pizz or synthetic or steel core synthetic wound strings (Eurosonic, Presto Nylonwound, Innovation SuperSilvers, SilverSlaps, Rockabillies or UltraBlacks).

And you need to file the slots in nut and bridge wide enough for these strings. THe nut is very fragile and I had one boken at arrival and one later when I installed other steel strings that were just a very little bit thicker than the stock strings. The nut should be filed down, so that the string sits in the nut with a third of its diameter. This also reduces the risk of a breaking nut.

But since the Stagg don't has a fingerboard pickup, slapping might not sound optimal amplified.
 
If anyone wants to know whether a Stagg EDB is suitable in a Latin context, here is a silly song that I wrote about my kids many years ago, but only recorded today. As described elsewhere on this forum, my Stagg has been professionally shielded, and I have fitted it with a bridge mute and tail-string damper made from foam toe-separators.

"Don't Step On the Baby" - music, lyrics, all instruments and vocals by Simon Beck
 
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