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#26
DigMe said:
So then you freely admit that you are committing a crime and stealing just because you don't want to pay for something?

bc
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yes. and I don't care what you or anyone thinks of me because of it.

I am sure you have never committed a crime though... never crossed when the no cross hand was up... driven 10 over the speed limit.
 
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Mark Latimour said:
So what you are saying is that the attitude of those people who don't commit theft towards those who do commit theft is one of moral superiority. Right....are you are surprised because??
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not surprised really. but I think those that think they are moraly superior should look at themselves and the things they do in everyday life that are moraly ambiguous before they go throwing stones at others.
 
#33
Jonyak said:
not surprised really. but I think those that think they are moraly superior should look at themselves and the things they do in everyday life that are moraly ambiguous before they go throwing stones at others.
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The trouble that you're going to run up against is that while everyone is guilty of "morally ambiguous" acts - the gray areas of right and wrong - stealing music is stealing. It's not in a gray area (grey for our overseas friends). It's theft. People would give you hard time for stealing anything that's not yours. If you're going to commit theft and get music for free, putting up with people giving you crap is going to come along with it.

I guess that proves that nothing's free, though. If you don't pay for music, expect people to give you crap! ;)
 
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Jonyak said:
not surprised really. but I think those that think they are moraly superior should look at themselves and the things they do in everyday life that are moraly ambiguous before they go throwing stones at others.
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Well, for arguments sake, and remembering that you are not trying to rationalise your behaviour, if lets say I did x, y, and z which were "morally ambiguous", but everyone does it. Lets say you also did x, y and z, but also stole music. Would that still not mean that me, in my hypothetical example, was morally superior than you?
 
#35
flipper_gv said:
yes it was

From what I've heard, it was the band story only to make em being known. Anyway, back to topic

I download music, I don't call it stealing much, but I download effing lots of music. It's pratically not stealing because the bands I get their cd aren't popular enough to make money on the cd sales. I mean, little underground labels do not give money to the band for cd sales. They usually just pay the studio to record the cd. That way, they give a band the chance to record. But nowadays, recording with computer is soo easy that most underground bands don't need a label anymore. I remember the day that I received the cd The pax Cecillia - Blessed Are the Bonds. The band is litteraly giving away cds and they even pay for shipping to Canada.

Bands do make money on gigs. So, I go to all the shows my money can buy and always buy T shirt, because merch pays a lot too. Finally, I still buy the cds that I find to be the best cds I've ever heard. I buy about 2-3 cds per month which is a lot more than most people. The advantage of the internet is when I buy a cd, I do not waste money on a bad album because I know that this particular album is stellar because I've listened to it again and again before finally deciding to buy it. That's my point of view, and it's gonna stay this way.
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So what about me? I don't go to shows or buy the t-shirts or any of the extras. I just like the music. So is it ok for me to download P2P for free? :eyebrow:
 
#36
SuperDuck said:
The trouble that you're going to run up against is that while everyone is guilty of "morally ambiguous" acts - the gray areas of right and wrong - stealing music is stealing. It's not in a gray area (grey for our overseas friends). It's theft. People would give you hard time for stealing anything that's not yours. If you're going to commit theft and get music for free, putting up with people giving you crap is going to come along with it.

I guess that proves that nothing's free, though. If you don't pay for music, expect people to give you crap! ;)
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well I am canadian, and as far as I know our laws are a little different.

Also there are lots of things people do everyday that are not grey, but are against the law.

anyways. I am not trying to rationalise or even excuse what I do, but it would be good for people to look at themselves and the things they do before they condemn others for downloading some music.
 
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Mark Latimour said:
Well, for arguments sake, and remembering that you are not trying to rationalise your behaviour, if lets say I did x, y, and z which were "morally ambiguous", but everyone does it. Lets say you also did x, y and z, but also stole music. Would that still not mean that me, in my hypothetical example, was morally superior than you?
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haha...

I would say no...

PS:

I could rationalise it, but I won't. I think there are lots of reasons why its not a bad thing. but you have all heard them. My band even released our latest album for free only in a digital download format.
 
#39
Spector_Ray said:
So what is everybody here doing to prevent music piracy?
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In my opinion, the proper response is not to care. There are many ways to exploit your intellectual property for profit without piracy hindering you. Gigs, merchandise, selling the rights for reproduction or derivative works, special CD versions that include physical material that cannot be digitally copied, etc.
 
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