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Stellartone---Best passive mod ever!

Honestly, I think they could have lost a couple positions with the Bass Ten. But I went for the Ten just in case one of the positions I would have missed with the Six was there. Don't know what settings they use on the Six, though.

Thanks for answering, JimmyM. I think that maybe for 20 bucks more it's safer/better to get the 10 positions ToneStyler.
 
Well JimmyM, you convinced me to spend my child's college fund on stupid bass stuff once again! :) I put a Tonestyler in my 60th Anniversary Precision with Nordstrand p'up. I spent about an hour with this thing just noodling around. It is really amazing. Before the upgrade, the bass would get muddy if I rolled the tone down more than 30%. Thie limited the useful range of tones I could get from this bass. Now I have a much wider range of sound. Some things I noticed: the brightest setting is brighter than with the old tone control fully up. In fact, the second brightest position sounds just like the brightest position of the standard tone control. The deepest setting is a great deep blues sound. It is the sound I have in my head when I think of great blues tone. Deep, tight, clear, percussive. (The Nordy has a very deep tight bottom.) Thumbing the strings gives me a nice round old-school reggae sound. The other positions seem to act like resonant peak filter as well as a high-end roll-off. The effect is similar to using a parked wah, or an autowah with the sensitivity set low and the resonance set to just about on. The mids around the resonant peak become more pronounced. In fact some settings had a bit of a wah to it. The result is that I had to scoop the mids on my amp as the peak was too much in some settings when playing solo. However, I believe this will really help the bass carve out a niche in the sonic space of a band setting. This works well for me because I often will set my eq up to have a bit of a mid peak somewhere in the signal to give the note character and definition. Also, I suspect strongly that the characteristics of this resonant peak will depend entirely on the pickups used.

I plan on doing the same upgrade to two other passive basses I have. One is a Fender Precision V with Nordy P and Nordy Big Split in the bridge position. It has a three way selector, and VVT controls. I also have a fretless P/J with DiMarzio's set up the same way. I am considering changing that to 3-way, VTT with two tonestylers for both basses. I think having the tone preset on each pickup would be great. I am just concerned about how the two tone controls would interact when both pickups are selected. Would anyone care to comment on this?
 
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Well JimmyM, you convinced me to spend my child's college fund on stupid bass stuff once again! :) I put a Tonestyler in my 60th Anniversary Precision with Nordstrand p'up. I spent about an hour with this thing just noodling around. It is really amazing. Before the upgrade, the bass would get muddy if I rolled the tone down more than 30%. Thie limited the useful range of tones I could get from this bass. Now I have a much wider range of sound. Some things I noticed: the brightest setting is brighter than with the old tone control fully up. In fact, the second brightest position sounds just like the brightest position of the standard tone control. The deepest setting is a great deep blues sound.
You are about dead-on accurate with those assessments! The brightest setting is as of there was no tone control on it whatsoever, so it does get brighter than with the tone. And according to Don at Stellartone, the next lowest position was designed to sound like a bass with a standard tone control, albeit without scooping out any mids.

It is the sound I have in my head when I think of great blues tone. Deep, tight, clear, percussive. (The Nordy has a very deep tight bottom.) Thumbing the strings gives me a nice round old-school reggae sound. The other positions seem to act like resonant peak filter as well as a high-end roll-off. The effect is similar to using a parked wah, or an autowah with the sensitivity set low and the resonance set to just about on. The mids around the resonant peak become more pronounced. In fact some settings had a bit of a wah to it.
I also think that's pretty accurate to my findings.

The result is that I had to scoop the mids on my amp as the peak was too much in some settings when playing solo. However, I believe this will really help the bass carve out a niche in the sonic space of a band setting. This works well for me because I often will set my eq up to have a bit of a mid peak somewhere in the signal to give the note character and definition. Also, I suspect strongly that the characteristics of this resonant peak will depend entirely on the pickups used.
Could be. I've only tried them on my 09 Precision, but I'm very interested in putting one on a couple other basses I have with different pickups just to see what happens.

I plan on doing the same upgrade to two other passive basses I have. One is a Fender Precision V with Nordy P and Nordy Big Split in the bridge position. It has a three way selector, and VVT controls. I also have a fretless P/J with DiMarzio's set up the same way. I am considering changing that to 3-way, VTT with two tonestylers for both basses. I think having the tone preset on each pickup would be great. I am just concerned about how the two tone controls would interact when both pickups are selected. Would anyone care to comment on this?
Can't comment yet but I hope to before long. However, last time I talked to Don, he suggested that instead of two Tonestylers, I should get a Bass Duo Ten, which is two TS's in one, only with a single knob controlling them. I'm a little skeptical of trying that over two regular Bass Tens, but Don says it works great, so I may go with the Duo Ten when he gets more in.

In any event, really glad it's working out for you. I always get a little antsy when I read, "Based on your recommendation I got one" :) but I'm pretty confident that most folks will like it once they get used to it.
 
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I have to say that this has definitely peaked my interest. So, I'm curious to hear all y'all's thoughts. Right now I've got my thunder-j wired VBT. I'm not convinced that I love the blend pot. With a tonestyler, would you go VBTonestyler or back to VVTonestyler?
 
Good question. I know Don likes the blend pot for the TS's, but for the life of me I can't remember why.

So a three knob Jazz would be vol/blend/TS? I've been batting around different wiring ideas and a single volume appeals to me a lot.

edit...i guess i could read the previous posts before i hit send....:rollno:

edit...edit or better yet go the the Invalid Link Removed before i open my pie hole at all....wow, i'm a dweeb
 
That would be an interesting application. I think it would work well. One thing that I noticed, and Don confirmed, the pickups with more character usually have various resonant peaks that interact with the tonestyler in interesting ways. If the resonant peak of the TS setting should align with a resonant peak in the pickup, you will get a more pronounced effect. Rics, to me, have a lot of character in the pickups. This leads me to conclude that you may get some high peaks. This can be controlled using a resistor in line as described in some of the wiring diagrams.
 
Genuine (perhaps stupid) question: Can’t one do the same or similar thing using the EQ on the amp?

The over-simplified version is that Tonestyler switches between different capacitors where the tone controls on your amp adjust the voltage going through the same capacitor. Have a look at this Invalid Link Removed of the difference between a Tonestyler and a traditional passive onboard tone control.
 
So a three knob Jazz would be vol/blend/TS?
I'm not sure that's all of why Don prefers the blend, but it does allow you to use a "regular" (not the new Duo) Toneshaper. As I understood it, keeping the VVT config requires the Duo TS because it effectively contains two TS's and lets each of the pickup volumes be wired separately through its own TS circuit (I know this is what Don said, but better to ask him why).

I just picked up my newly refinished Warmoth PJ from my repair shop. Don built me a whole harness that fit three holes in the pickguard: (1) Stacked Vol/Limited tone pot (has a resistor to make it usable to just add or limit the treble of TS settings); (2) Blend; (3) 10 position TS.

What a great set up! Many great tones and not one that's unusable. Still learning it and haven't played out, but the mid levels (no tendency to over scoop) are a sure thing for cutting through mixes. The additional tone pot enables you to roll in a bit of highs to the lowest settings and roll out a bit of highs from the higher settings. Sort of fine-tuning to taste. The only small hitch was that the Warmoth P rout had a small lip in the bottom of the hole that had to be trimmed with a Dremel (I don't think Fender routs would have that problem).

Compared to the cost of top shelf preamps, the TS is easier to use, (dare I say) just about as useful, preserves the passive sound nicely and costs less. :D
 
Well Jimmy re-awakened my curiosity in the Tonestyler. I ordered one last week and got it installed in my Matt Freeman P for band practice last Friday night, so I got to hear it in a band mix right away.

Wow. Mids! My tone knob is actually useful now. Love, love, love the new choices I have available to me.

Thanks again Jimmy.
 

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