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Stoner / Doom Bassist Thread - Part 18

#741
father of fires said:

"If this flag offends you, you need a history lesson. sjhgjhgJH!GJHGJHG!j11JHG!JHGJHGjgjhg...STATES RIGHTS....!!!!!!!!JHGjhvnjm!VNBVNBV!!"

Bull ****...the civil war was about a state's right to keep slaves.
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I think the canned response here is " you're not from the south, you don't understand"

I'm from the south, Arkansas, specifically, and while I definitely have some pride about being southern, I find the confederate flag to be in poor taste for a lot of reasons. It seriously skeeves me out when is see people flying it, etc, and, though I'm proud of where I'm from, to say that we didn't and don't have some shortcomings to get over, that would be a lie. My dad told me that my hometown had a billboard up that said 'don't let the sun set on your black ass' in the 70's.... and I graduated with over 700 people, less than ten of which were black, (although we have a huge hispanic population).
 
#743
I remember trying to explain the original skinhead movement to some people in the past. Didn't make much headway. I was and still am a big Agnostic Front fan:

"United Strong, Blacks and Whites, United Strong Punks and Skins"

They had a good message, like a lot of punk & hardcore bands of that era.
 
#744
Toastfuzz said:
Wasn't this a big thing with the NY hardcore scene in the 90s too? They'd find skinheads and gaybashers and take them behind clubs and beat them senseless? I seem to remember hearing this in a documentary at one point. I think they were all straight-edge too or at least promoted that image of no mind-altering substances.
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I can say that, in my circles, we meet any gay bashing and neo-nazis with an iron fist.
 
#745
The_Janitor said:
I remember trying to explain the original skinhead movement to some people in the past. Didn't make much headway. I was and still am a big Agnostic Front fan:

"United Strong, Blacks and Whites, United Strong Punks and Skins"

They had a good message, like a lot of punk & hardcore bands of that era.
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The most simplistic way of explaining the original skinhead movement is do play them a youtube video like this one:
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if you want some real hilarity, watching neo-nazis explain that Jamaicans shaved their heads because they had cow **** in their dreads is hilarious... considering cows aren't native to Jamaica...
 
#748
blendermassacre said:
I can say that, in my circles, we meet any gay bashing and neo-nazis with an iron fist.
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I'm with ya. These guys though would actively lure them though, like saying "hey wanna come help us beat up a f*g/n****r out back" and bring them back and ambush them, often with paralyzing results.

Is it hypocritical? Or giving them a taste of their own medicine?

I only once came across true skinheads that I know of, at a Slayer show a couple years back, we were tailgating out in the parking lot with a large group of people, drinking and grilling. The dude running the grill, who seemed like a cool enough dude, turned around and had a HUGE swastika on his back. It was an uncomfortable feeling, realizing someone who seemed very normal and nice on the outside had enough burning hatred inside him to get it permanently and openly tattood on his skin. Later on I saw him get jumped and the piss kicked out of him in the moshpit, straight bootprint to the face.
 
#750
Toastfuzz said:
Wasn't this a big thing with the NY hardcore scene in the 90s too? They'd find skinheads and gaybashers and take them behind clubs and beat them senseless? I seem to remember hearing this in a documentary at one point. I think they were all straight-edge too or at least promoted that image of no mind-altering substances.have.
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blendermassacre said:
I can say that, in my circles, we meet any gay bashing and neo-nazis with an iron fist.
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Are you talking about the FSU? That started in Boston - straight edge guys beating up the skinheads. Then they got more popular and less straight edge. Eventually the same losers that would have joined the skinheads started joining the FSU and the cycle repeats itself.
 
#753
Toastfuzz said:
I'm with ya. These guys though would actively lure them though, like saying "hey wanna come help us beat up a f*g/n****r out back" and bring them back and ambush them, often with paralyzing results.

Is it hypocritical? Or giving them a taste of their own medicine?

I only once came across true skinheads that I know of, at a Slayer show a couple years back, we were tailgating out in the parking lot with a large group of people, drinking and grilling. The dude running the grill, who seemed like a cool enough dude, turned around and had a HUGE swastika on his back. It was an uncomfortable feeling, realizing someone who seemed very normal and nice on the outside had enough burning hatred inside him to get it permanently and openly tattood on his skin. Later on I saw him get jumped and the piss kicked out of him in the moshpit, straight bootprint to the face.
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I would say that we're definitely not entrapping anyone. But, like I said yesterday, after hearing about a friend of my family getting threatened with death for being gay, I for sure threw a bass neck in the back of my truck and drove by the ass hole's house who decided that threatening them was the cool thing do do. Didn't go on his property, didn't do anything, but I can assure you that if he's outside (he's their neighbor) and causing problems, I'll be there and handle it.


Seeing a swazi out in public makes my skin crawl. The amount of stupidity and ignorance that is required to have that line of thinking is mind-blowing.
 
#754
Lowest End said:
Are you talking about the FSU? That started in Boston - straight edge guys beating up the skinheads. Then they got more popular and less straight edge. Eventually the same losers that would have joined the skinheads started joining the FSU and the cycle repeats itself.
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I'm definitely not falling in line with that thinking at all. FSU goes way, way too far. They got big, lost their morals, and are just a thuggish street gang.
 
#756
Sorry Blender, i was typing on my phone...
I was trying to construe that people who look at a celtic cross and think Klan are just as bad as the people who have heard a Crucifed "Skin Head Army" cover and think it makes the band White Power. In my experience AF is nothing close, but do go get a listen to Victim in Pain... and Liberty & Justice (so metal)

On the whole FSU - gangland thing... I grew up in hardcore in NJ, I frequently went to shows in NYC and Philly as kid. I've meet, played shows with, hung out with, and seen a lot of really well known and very intimidating people who were / are associated with various "organizations". I don't care how FSU started in Boston, I remember when the Boston Beatdown videos were coming out and 99% of what I SAW those guys get into did not involve nazis and I was there at hellfest when the guy with the giant swastika on his chest got mauled. I have witnessed fighting between different local crews... It may have started out of necessity, and the philly guys definitely helped get rid of the Atlantic City Skins who were some legitimately scary people especially at 14 & 15. Unfortunately, the bigger the crew got, the less it became about "street justice" and the more it became about fighting. On numerous occasions I saw a kid innocuously hit someone only to be beaten and booted by more than 5-8 people. Long story short venues got shut down, kids stopped going to shows....
 
#757
twhitedc said:
Sorry Blender, i was typing on my phone...
I was trying to construe that people who look at a celtic cross and think Klan are just as bad as the people who have heard a Crucifed "Skin Head Army" cover and think it makes the band White Power. In my experience AF is nothing close, but do go get a listen to Victim in Pain... and Liberty & Justice (so metal)

On the whole FSU - gangland thing... I grew up in hardcore in NJ, I frequently went to shows in NYC and Philly as kid. I've meet, played shows with, hung out with, and seen a lot of really well known and very intimidating people who were / are associated with various "organizations". I don't care how FSU started in Boston, I remember when the Boston Beatdown videos were coming out and 99% of what I SAW those guys get into did not involve nazis and I was there at hellfest when the guy with the giant swastika on his chest got mauled. I have witnessed fighting between different local crews... It may have started out of necessity, and the philly guys definitely helped get rid of the Atlantic City Skins who were some legitimately scary people especially at 14 & 15. Unfortunately, the bigger the crew got, the less it became about "street justice" and the more it became about fighting. On numerous occasions I saw a kid innocuously hit someone only to be beaten and booted by more than 5-8 people. Long story short venues got shut down, kids stopped going to shows....
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I personally see Crucified as " being crucified for looking a certain way, saying that you're a skinhead, etc", although I know some of the right wing crazies use it too.
 
#758
people just fly off the handle when they hear the word skinhead.... I knew / know many multicultural traditional skins who like to rep Fred Perry, or have chelseas.. Which always brings us to the very interesting crux where Ska / Rocksteady / Dancehall meets punk and hardcore....
 
#759
twhitedc said:
people just fly off the handle when they hear the word skinhead.... I knew / know many multicultural traditional skins who like to rep Fred Perry, or have chelseas.. Which always brings us to the very interesting crux where Ska / Rocksteady / Dancehall meets punk and hardcore....
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I live in that crux.

also... the media had a LOT to do with that, too. Skinhead this, skinhead that, American History X, Romper Stomper, etc. It's just all too much. But shows like This is England get no coverage stateside about what being a skinhead is about...
 
#760
twhitedc said:
people just fly off the handle when they hear the word skinhead.... I knew / know many multicultural traditional skins who like to rep Fred Perry, or have chelseas.. Which always brings us to the very interesting crux where Ska / Rocksteady / Dancehall meets punk and hardcore....
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And... you've just flown the conversation way over my head. Western PA aint that cultured, nahmsayin?
 

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