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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

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lucas303 said:
If you're overloading the preamp you should hear distortion, which might come across as "flabby," even when your recorder's levels are turned down and you don't see your levels clipping. "Flabby" is a pretty subjective word though :)

Here is some good information about stereo mic setups: https://www.dpamicrophones.com/mic-university/stereo-recording-techniques-and-setups It's a pretty deep and technical subject, but that's more than enough to at least get started.

It's possible one of your mics is faulty...try each in the same position, same mic cable, etc and listen for any differences between them.
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Thanks a lot!! I'll try with these suggestions tomorrow!! :):thumbsup:
 
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Finally got my rig up tonight. Unfortunately it was a bit too late to make much noise. Pics taken yesterday, before plugging in
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oZZma said:
I need some advice on recording :sorry:
I have two problems
- On the bass cab, the lowest notes sound really really flabby, especially the open E (tuned in D) :atoz:I used an AKG D112 and a condenser mic as an ambient mic (AKG perception 170).
Do I necessarily need to couple the cab mic with a DI signal? Or use a compressor? It really sucks :atoz:
- On the Guitar cab, I used two paired symmetric SM57, one for each cone, sounded fine but I had a weird problem...
At some point in the song, I can clearly hear a phase inversion. I checked if it's a phase problem and it is... I think
I am sure I didn't touch the mic while I played. What the f. happened? I really don't want to split the tracks on Reaper and fix this crap manually :eyebrow:
Anyone has an idea of what could be the problem?
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The d112 is a bass drum mic so it has a pretty big boost in the 100 hz area. Depending on how close you have it to the speaker id probably recommend moving it away from the speaker to reduce some of that proximity effect. It should brighten it up some. I tend to like my bass mics between 1 and 3 feet away but i also run pretty loud. If you are quieter it might need to get closer. Swapping it with your other mic or pairing it with an sm57 might also get you closer.

As for the guitar amp how where is the phasing? Does it show up in a part of the song where youre playing low down on the neck or you click on a different drive pedal? Are your mics placed in the same location on the speaker or is one towards the outside and one towards the cone? Are they the same speaker or different speaker models? Does it sound phased while both guitar tracks are solod or does it only sound phased when played along with the bass track? Phase issues can be a pain. Most of the ohase issues ive had come from pedals flipping the phase when they come on amd off.
 
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Novarocker said:
I think you missed a spot ;)
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Reserved for my Muff that's currently on the repair bench :)

Current future plans:
  • Finish repairing/upgrading BYOC Li'l Russian Beaver
  • Replace Burning Sunn and the pedal before (Bad Monkey in picture, currently NU-X Booster) with Dunwich/Magic Pedals Mojo if it sounds better. The Burning Sunn is for sure my favourite drive, but it's a bit low output and having a built in boost would be nice. Also, it doesn't have cat artwork like the Mojo does.
  • Probably remove Behringer HM300 (HM-2 clone). It's cool but it's not quite my sound. Keeping it on until I need to reclaim that space.
  • Replace Behringer SF300 (Hyperfuzz clone) with a Dunwich/Magic Pedals Doomfinder or Witchfinder (unlikely that the former will have a run anytime soon, but Witchfinders are in the works so I'm definitely gonna grab one)
  • Replace Cathedral with a DIY DSP pedal or analogue octave. Likely the latter if I don't get my hands on a Doomfinder 'cause I would like a nice analogue octave down. The HOG2 is amazing and the octave down sounds superb but it doesn't quite get the same unified sound as an analogue octave does.
  • Upgrade compressors to Empress MKII. Mostly to save space, but I do miss the blend on the MXR. My current empress, used for the neck pup, sticks out on the top right with about half of its width so I took it off the board while moving.

For actually making music, I'm aiming to make a VGM cover album with just bass and drums in parallel to learning cello and hopefully once I'm more comfortable with that instrument I can start applying it in my solo project. By then I'll have gained some more production and transcription experience as well. This should also help make sure I don't half-arse two things at once and whole-arse one thing at a time, though whether I actually succeed in keeping my attention focused is an entirely different question.
 
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Eddie LeBlanc said:
I am sad that Guitar Center has allowed such careless business practices to take place in it's franchises.

And sad to say, Musician's Friend is the online partner with GC.....
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lucas303 said:
Holy poopie I could not be more excited. I remember reading they were in the studio. I absolutely love Hum.
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They have always been one of my favs. This has totally made my day. Just perfect guitar and bass tones.
 
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lucas303 said:
I'm only a minute into the first song and I've already got goosebumps. 2020 is redeemed! (Kidding.)
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To add to our earlier conversation about physical copies of albums... Hum is already sold out of the CD pre-order. I'm always pleasantly surprised by how many people still buy CD's. Anyway, just thought that was interesting/awesome considering this thing has been out for just a few hours.
 
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hardtop said:
To add to our earlier conversation about physical copies of albums... Hum is already sold out of the CD pre-order. I'm always pleasantly surprised by how many people still buy CD's. Anyway, just thought that was interesting/awesome considering this thing has been out for just a few hours.
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I don't generally buy physical copies of stuff anymore (for my own weird reasons...I buy digital downloads whenever possible), but I preordered the vinyl of this.
 
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lucas303 said:
Man, I've been into these guys since the 90s but have never seen them live. Hopefully when concerts start up again they'll tour. I wish I'd been more proactive about getting out to see them in the past :(
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Well, the window wasn't too big so you shouldn't beat yourself up too much. I was lucky because I was in the region, splitting time between Chicago and Champaign, where they probably played 95% of their shows between 90-97. I actually saw their final show in Chicago on new years eve. I had moved to Colorado by then, but I was back home in Chicago for the holidays. Pretty amazing coincidence. Well, it was their final show at the time at least... they re-formed and did some stuff later.
 
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Jolagh said:
The d112 is a bass drum mic so it has a pretty big boost in the 100 hz area. Depending on how close you have it to the speaker id probably recommend moving it away from the speaker to reduce some of that proximity effect. It should brighten it up some. I tend to like my bass mics between 1 and 3 feet away but i also run pretty loud. If you are quieter it might need to get closer. Swapping it with your other mic or pairing it with an sm57 might also get you closer.
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it is more or less 2 feet away from the cab, it sounds good (full alnd punchy) this way in general, aside from the lowest notes...

Jolagh said:
As for the guitar amp how where is the phasing? Does it show up in a part of the song where youre playing low down on the neck or you click on a different drive pedal? Are your mics placed in the same location on the speaker or is one towards the outside and one towards the cone? Are they the same speaker or different speaker models? Does it sound phased while both guitar tracks are solod or does it only sound phased when played along with the bass track? Phase issues can be a pain. Most of the ohase issues ive had come from pedals flipping the phase when they come on amd off.
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I only use a Pitchfork on that amp, but it is disengaged in thre point where that s**t happens.
Both mics are centered and perpendicular to the cone, it's one cab with 2 identical speakers...
I tried soloing each track and maybe it's not a phase problem actually, 'cause I hear an "inconstancy" in both tracks even when played separately :eyebrow:
Maybe it's not even the mics after all. I don't know what to think anymore.
 
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oZZma said:
it is more or less 2 feet away from the cab, it sounds good (full alnd punchy) this way in general, aside from the lowest notes...


I only use a Pitchfork on that amp, but it is disengaged in thre point where that s**t happens.
Both mics are centered and perpendicular to the cone, it's one cab with 2 identical speakers...
I tried soloing each track and maybe it's not a phase problem actually, 'cause I hear an "inconstancy" in both tracks even when played separately :eyebrow:
Maybe it's not even the mics after all. I don't know what to think anymore.
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You could try eqing a cut at 100 hz to try to flatten that out. Id bet money its just that mics response.

As for the guitar amp it sounds like it might be a resonant frequency in the room at whatever point that is. Maybe try draping a comforter or some heavy blanket over the cabinet and microphones to try and deaden any room sound they may be getting. Kind of like a tent over both to soft isolate them.
 
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