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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

What's the general consensus on specific dirt circuits around here? Not necessarily the exact clone, but are we Muff-users, Rat-users, OD'ers, or what? Just wondering as I'm digging out my old Iron Pig (Rat) again and digging it. Been thinking of picking up another Rat too, just for fun. So what are some good Rat circuits out there, and what tones are we getting from them? I'd either be looking for an in your face aggressive tone or a doomy thick tone like my Muff (the Iron Pig gets close, but is definitely better at aggression).

EDIT - Kinda all over the place here. Thinking maybe MXR M85 or Blower Box? Had a BB years ago, and it was slightly too trebly, but given my recent embrace of more bite, it may just be right. Also - Landphil (tweaked BB)? Volt Thrower was also amazing, but also slightly more bite than I wanted at the time. I'd love another, but price would probably stay my hand.

I've always struggled with rats for some reason. I've always found they let lost in the mix the way I've dialed them in. I've owned a turbo rat, rat, and the blower box. It must be me cause loads of people seem to be able to make them sound ace. The blower box sounded epic at home but couldn't get it set live.
I really like muffs, but I'm stuck on the Dunwich (whatever circuit that's based on).
The other in your face distortion I loved but flipped probably daftly is the tech 21 XXL. It's a balls out distortion. Absolutely rips through a mix in the most aggressive sense. That's kinda what the WALPURGIS does but with more of a kick in the gut.
Took me an age (if I've even actually solved it) to get happy with my drive section, but I run my amp pretty hot as well so always aim to have a bit of OD on my 'clean' setting.
Great fun trying loads, I've always found ultimate test is in a band mix though to test what does and doesn't work, and some of it is dependant on what those guitarists are up to!
 
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To this point, I should note that I'm not playing in a band setting so that's yet another strike against my opinions!
Same here, but a week or two ago I was actually able to jam with someone on all of my gear, and I had my guitar/bass rigs dialed in just right! It was the first time I actually got to hear them played simultaneously, and I was shocked that I had the settings dialed in so well. I strive to make all of my dirt choices sound right in a mix, but without a band to play with, it's a guess at best.
 
I've been enjoying pushing a Model T pre with a HM-3 (yes, not HM-2) lately. Both the HM-2 and HM-3 have great bass response and massive dirt without being nearly as shrill as a Rat might be, nor are they as overbearingly thick as a fuzz might be. Makes for a great in between that works for slow doom as well as more aggressive sludgy stuff. Chris Fielding does it, so why wouldn't you :)
 
I've been enjoying pushing a Model T pre with a HM-3 (yes, not HM-2) lately. Both the HM-2 and HM-3 have great bass response and massive dirt without being nearly as shrill as a Rat might be, nor are they as overbearingly thick as a fuzz might be. Makes for a great in between that works for slow doom as well as more aggressive sludgy stuff. Chris Fielding does it, so why wouldn't you :)
Feels like you've been away for a bit. Good to see you back.
 
I've been enjoying pushing a Model T pre with a HM-3 (yes, not HM-2) lately. Both the HM-2 and HM-3 have great bass response and massive dirt without being nearly as shrill as a Rat might be, nor are they as overbearingly thick as a fuzz might be. Makes for a great in between that works for slow doom as well as more aggressive sludgy stuff. Chris Fielding does it, so why wouldn't you :)
I was actually thinking of grabbing an HM-3 one day to complement my HM-2 pedals. Seems to be not quite as over the top as the HM-2, but still plenty heavy.
 
Per the recent modulation discussion - flanger or phaser? Typically, I have liked the flanger more, but I'm really digging the thick syrupy tone of my old DOD Phaser lately. Not an important question, really, but a fun one.

I really like flanger. But my phaser experience isn't too extended. I had a JAM Pedals Ripple Bass, and that was a two stage phaser, which is way too subtle. I do not like subtle bass effects. Same thing with OD, never hold on to OD pedals, because I want extremes, not just a touch of grit (which is a lie, but my Olympic preamp adds some tube grit). Anyhoo, flanger is more extreme, so I like flanger more

Perverts! Philistines! We all know in our black little hearts phaser is the superior effect!
It goes Sssssssssssssssweeeeeeeeesssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooowwwwwwwssssss.

Ok, maybe I had a bad experience with a Boss BF-2 when I was young. Maybe I'm still having that experience because I can't bring myself to accept money for passing that awful sounding effect to someone else, and it's sitting on the shelf over there still absorbing my hatred. And you'd also have to consider that my first phaser is an old Univox one, with a "Video Counter" that isn't video, it's just a light - and it doesn't really count anything. It just varies it's glow along with the phaser sweep. Totally ridiculous, and its phaser sweep is thick as a milkshake. (checks Reverb) - Damn, there's one for sale on their now, and it has the footswitch and the manual! Must...exhibit...self...control.......

Here's a vid of one in action (I also love how the song glitches out when the turns the phaser completely off at the end):



Here's how it sounds on a fuzzed out bass:




Tangentially related to that, IdiotBox has started up the Mystery effects again, and there's also a Mystery noisebox this time (you don't have to plug a guitar into the noiseboxes). Since I have an intense craving for ridiculous effects, I'm very happy.

2022 MYSTERY EFFECTS

2022 MYSTERY NOISEBOXES
 
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26046037[/URL], member: 212830"]Some thoughts on all of this:

In the vein of a Thrash/Death/Groove combo, I'm not much into groove, but love some Thrash/Death stuff. The Crown, as posted earlier, would be my go to in that vein. However, The Haunted are also top contenders (and were founded by former members of At the Gates after their original dissolution). Vader is phenomenal, and really borders the line of thrash/death to me. They've been around forever. In regards to Kreator, they're one of my favorites, though typically straight thrash. Another band that straddles more of the death metal side of things would be Dew-Scented. And though not really death metal, Tankard is an amazing thrash band. Their lyrics are often humorous, which I quite enjoy.

Per your list of bands, etc., I will only give some suggestions of similar things:

Death - if you like the proggy style stuff, try some Mekong Delta. German thrash, but with all sorts of prog influences. They even did an entire instrumental album of orchestra covers just because. They had a vocalist, just didn't use him. Vektor are somewhat similar if memory serves, but that's a buddy's recommendation. I've never gotten around to them.

Entombed - not my favorite old school Swedish death metal, but obviously a milestone band. I prefer Dismember for that tone. Grave has already been mentioned. Then there's Unleashed and Bloodbath. All are in the same vein. There's an entire sub-genre of HM-2 derived death metal. Gatecreeper and At The Gates are often considered part of that movement.

Carcass - Heartwork is my go-to for them, but I feel that Necroticism is also overlooked. I don't like their first two albums as much, as they are prototypical grindcore which just isn't my thing. Swansong is also underrated. Their newer material is a blend of Heartwork and Necroticism, which is great. Arch Enemy's earlier stuff is also in a similar vein. I prefer their original and second vocalists to their current singer. I feel that they had better instrumentation early on, but none of their albums is bad by any stretch. If you're looking for more of the melodic death metal stuff (which it seems you are, based on some of these bands) early In Flames is phenomenal. Anything up until 2004ish really hits the spot for me, though it's been years since I've listened. Their newer material is still good music, but a distinctly mellower stylistic change overall. I'd also recommend Darkest Hour, Dark Tranquillity, Feared (who actually run the gamut of musical styles, with some songs being very-Pantera-ish), Hypocrisy (a sort of blend of Dismember and old In Flames stylistically), Amorphis, Amon Amarth (if you like Vikings), Soilwork, and Nightrage are also great. Fear My Thoughts went virtually unnoticed, but I loved them while they were around.

In regards to black metal - it took me forever. There are some bands I love, some I simply can't stand. Typically, I like the more proggy stuff, but sometimes the rawness of Mayhem or Darkthrone speaks to me. As far as lyrics, I don't usually care, because I don't often understand them. I often view vocals as simply another instrument. Some of my favorite black metal bands are Immortal, Dissection, Emperor, Dark Funeral, and Nargaroth.

I think that covers it. Most of the other things you posted either fall into something I already put up there or I have no real info about. Doom metal is actually one of the genres I know the least about! I spent years pretty much worshiping Northern European metal.
great write up. Some bands to check out as my death metal knowledge is laughable

26046493[/URL], member: 212830"]What's the general consensus on specific dirt circuits around here? Not necessarily the exact clone, but are we Muff-users, Rat-users, OD'ers, or what? Just wondering as I'm digging out my old Iron Pig (Rat) again and digging it. Been thinking of picking up another Rat too, just for fun. So what are some good Rat circuits out there, and what tones are we getting from them? I'd either be looking for an in your face aggressive tone or a doomy thick tone like my Muff (the Iron Pig gets close, but is definitely better at aggression).

Por que no los dos? I right now have a Grey Stache and Fatrat on my board. Granted, I haven't been able to test the fatrat in a band setting, but it is a lot of fun! For doom sounds I would go for the muff though. Much more bottom end and less noise from the top end.

Perverts! Philistines! We all know in our black little hearts phaser is the superior effect!
It goes Sssssssssssssssweeeeeeeeesssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooowwwwwwwssssss.

Ok, maybe I had a bad experience with a Boss BF-2 when I was young. Maybe I'm still having that experience because I can't bring myself to accept money for passing that awful sounding effect to someone else, and it's sitting on the shelf over there still absorbing my hatred. And you'd also have to consider that my first phaser is an old Univox one, with a "Video Counter" that isn't video, it's just a light - and it doesn't really count anything. It just varies it's glow along with the phaser sweep. Totally ridiculous, and its phaser sweep is thick as a milkshake. (checks Reverb) - Damn, there's one for sale on their now, and it has the footswitch and the manual! Must...exhibit...self...control.......

Here's a vid of one in action (I also love how the song glitches out when the turns the phaser completely off at the end):



Here's how it sounds on a fuzzed out bass:




Tangentially related to that, IdiotBox has started up the Mystery effects again, and there's also a Mystery noisebox this time (you don't have to plug a guitar into the noiseboxes). Since I have an intense craving for ridiculous effects, I'm very happy.

2022 MYSTERY EFFECTS

2022 MYSTERY NOISEBOXES
I'm not convinced yet :D And I wasn't scarred by a BF-2, maybe that helps. But I just sold my broadcast, and I was thinking about buying a Polychrome, but maybe it should be a cheaper flanger and a phase 90 or something.

Also, because I was lazy I this week put my Af-2 flanger in front of all the dirt. That's also a nice sound. The flanger acts as a funky mid/high boost giving everything played above the A string a nice clarity boost while still keeping the wonkyness and the distortion from the rat/muff later in the line
 
My death and black metal is laughable as well.

Thought you guys would like to see this. It's a little big, but I think it's going to find its way onto my board...
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Same here, but a week or two ago I was actually able to jam with someone on all of my gear, and I had my guitar/bass rigs dialed in just right! It was the first time I actually got to hear them played simultaneously, and I was shocked that I had the settings dialed in so well. I strive to make all of my dirt choices sound right in a mix, but without a band to play with, it's a guess at best.

We're you playing with flats, or do you generally go for mid heavy EQ? I've noticed both to be huge difference makers in live mixes. Funny enough, the stuff I have the most difficulty with in mixes are big low end boosts. That was one of the difficulties with the swollen pickle. But after a while I got it figured out.

Perverts! Philistines! We all know in our black little hearts phaser is the superior effect!
It goes Sssssssssssssssweeeeeeeeesssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooowwwwwwwssssss.

Ok, maybe I had a bad experience with a Boss BF-2 when I was young. Maybe I'm still having that experience because I can't bring myself to accept money for passing that awful sounding effect to someone else, and it's sitting on the shelf over there still absorbing my hatred. And you'd also have to consider that my first phaser is an old Univox one, with a "Video Counter" that isn't video, it's just a light - and it doesn't really count anything. It just varies it's glow along with the phaser sweep. Totally ridiculous, and its phaser sweep is thick as a milkshake. (checks Reverb) - Damn, there's one for sale on their now, and it has the footswitch and the manual! Must...exhibit...self...control.......

Here's a vid of one in action (I also love how the song glitches out when the turns the phaser completely off at the end):



Here's how it sounds on a fuzzed out bass:




Tangentially related to that, IdiotBox has started up the Mystery effects again, and there's also a Mystery noisebox this time (you don't have to plug a guitar into the noiseboxes). Since I have an intense craving for ridiculous effects, I'm very happy.

2022 MYSTERY EFFECTS

2022 MYSTERY NOISEBOXES


Saw that the other day and jumped on em both. I'm such a sucker for Matt's work. It's damn good and worth it though IMO.

Thanks @Warlock_Surfer, cool to see that. Now I know I'm gonna be broke in 2022...already gotta purge a bunch, now probably more lol!
 
To add to the dirt talk, I think I am fairly evenly distributed.

Couple OD250
Klon clone
Marshall dist
misc dist
Fuzz face
Fuzz rite/maestro
Super fuzz
Few tonebenders
Few muffs
Boss OD/DS
Rat clone
Acapulco model T dist
Something similar to a tubescreamer

For bass I frequently use the FF/maestro, klon, SF, and the muff/250 box.

All of em are good, but depending on the mix, sometimes a clean blend is needed to keep enough clarity.
 
We're you playing with flats, or do you generally go for mid heavy EQ? I've noticed both to be huge difference makers in live mixes. Funny enough, the stuff I have the most difficulty with in mixes are big low end boosts. That was one of the difficulties with the swollen pickle. But after a while I got it figured out.
I was jumping between flats and rounds, but I definitely boost my mids. So it was no problem being heard.