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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

How is it I always thought Hail of Bullets was a power metal band?

Dunno, but reminds me that back in the day I joked about them being a Trve Metalhead's answer to Sabaton because Of Frost And War came out the same year as Sabaton released The Art Of War, with 40:1 making them annoyingly popular here in Poland.

...I mean I was joking myself, but then I believe I actually saw someone compare them online, because of course. Only once tho.
 
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Dunno, but reminds me that back in the day I joked about them being a Trve Metalhead's answer to Sabaton because Of Frost And War came out the same year as Sabaton released The Art Of War, with 40:1 making them annoyingly popular here in Poland.

...I mean I was joking myself, but then I believe I actually saw someone compare them online, because of course. Only once tho.
I don't dislike power metal, but I didn't really feel the need to go search it out either. I've got enough bands in the style I enjoy for my needs. And while Sabaton isn't exactly new or different, they're solid enough for what they are. But I already vastly prefer Hail of Bullets to them!
 
Yep, I have that Suffering Hour album. For something similar, off the top of my head, try:






This stuff generally leans towards black metal. If you like more of the death metal side of things I could probably make some recommendations in that department as well.

Steel Bearing Hand I'm not familiar with, but it definitely has punk elements to it. That immediately brings to mind Darkthrone. They're most associated with black metal but if you take their discography as a whole I feel like there's way more punk influence than anything else. If you jump around their discography you'll hear all kinds of stuff, some of which you might dig.

Perhaps most importantly, have you heard Bolt Thrower?


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I would LOVE some Death Metal suggestions actually…(Have gotten a few random ones from this site just btw since they tend to post bands I’m not really familiar with): Angry Metal Guy

So…I get that beggars can’t be choosers, but I tend to not like traditional Black Metal both lyrically and vocally-After exploring both genres I tend to enjoy Death Metal bands more than Black Metal bands…

Black Metal vocals are annoying to me at that pitch/rate to begin with and while people are welcome to believe whatever they want, I tend to not go in for the whole Satanic angle bc those particular lyrics don’t really appeal to me…

To further clarify-I don’t mind borderline tongue in cheek type stuff or where the band has said “This is just our image” or if lyrics are essentially incomprehensible bc I tend to not notice-I’m talking more about bands like Mayhem and some of those bands from Norway in the 90s that actually burned churches down…(FWIW-I really enjoyed Lords Of Chaos even though I’ve read it is not very accurate to what happened in that scene)…

That minor disclaimer above not withstanding-I stayed away from Death Metal for a while due to not liking the vocals, but the last couple of months I’ve gotten a lot more interested in that sub genre and I don’t tend to really think about the whole cement mixer/guttural vocals bc the music is ultimately what makes it or breaks it…While I still prefer clean/melodic vocals I realized one day that I need to be more open minded on vocal styles…

As I’ve listened to more Slipknot, Slayer, Lamb Of God, (and occasionally Kreator) I think I’ve gotten a little more accustomed to crazy/incoherent vocals over a lot of double bass so maybe (???) that’s why I’m less bothered by Death Metal style vocals…

Side note: I have listened to a $hit ton of Pantera over the last 25 years as they are still one of my favorite bands ever…I actually didn’t like Lamb Of God for a really long time bc I felt like they were just ripping off Pantera…After a lot more listens with a more open mind I believe Lamb Of God are their own thing even though they sound somewhat similar…(I REALLY like the direction Lamb Of God went on their last 3 albums)…

I’m aware that those bands I just listed aren’t Death Metal, but I’m trying to give you some context on bands that have served as a really good gateway drug for more extreme music as I’ve noticed I tend to like some unholy mashup of Thrash, Groove, and Death Metal…

I think that is what I like about Steel Bearing Hand’s last album just btw-They kind of genre straddle-They sound more Death Metal, but you still get a lot of Thrash and some Stoner/Doom hints when they slow their tempo…

Some more extreme Bands/albums that I like beyond Steel Bearing Hand and Suffering Hour (since I already listed those two):

[In no particular order]:

-Death - Human (not really “sold” on some of their other albums, but I was impressed by this album
-Entombed-Left Hand Path (Wolverine Blues isn’t bad, but I seem to like Left Hand Path a lot better)
-Cannibal Corpse- Violence Unimagined
-Black Dahlia Murder- Nocturnal
-Carcass-Heartwork (I only got around to listening to this album this week, but VERY impressed after only a few listens-I need to listen to some of their other albums)
-Obituary-Could use a good album recommendation here-Songs I’ve heard I like overall-I feel like I gave Slowly We Rot a chance a couple of times, but probably need to listen to that one again
A few Cradle of Filth songs-I haven’t really dug into their catalog, but occasionally I notice a song or two I like when I’m listening to an iTunes playlist
-Arch Enemy (I’m not sure they qualify as “Death Metal”
-At The Gates-Slaughter The Soul (downloaded and listened to that a couple of times a few months back, it need to revisit)
-Gatecreeper-Need to give them some more air time, I really like their tempo and drum work and production/mix seems very well done

I feel like I’m missing a few others, but hopefully this will give you an idea of some bands I’ve tried out while exploring the genre…

To your other question-Yes, I’ve heard of Bolt Thrower, but haven’t given them a ton of listening time, so I will give them another shot based on your suggestion (along with the others you posted)…

Thank you for reading-REALLY appreciate the suggestions…

Follow up question-Is there a Death Metal thread on TB any where???

LOVE this particular thread bc it goes every direction imaginable, but also wanna be respectful of other people’s tastes here as Stoner/Doom Metal is a lot slower than Death Metal and I’m not trying to hijack the thread even though no one here has discouraged me from talking about other genres (which I GREATLY appreciate)…

Thanks! \m/
EDIT/Update: WOW I love the underlying riff in that Bolt Thrower song you posted…That’s the kind of stuff I’m after…Will try to listen to more of their stuff over the next couple of days…You can’t go wrong with a riff that sounds that Apocalyptic/Ominous :-)
 
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26041112[/URL], member: 276132"]Maybe this???

Hail of Bullets - Nachthexen - YouTube
I know ‘historical’ albums like this are a thing. But with naming an album Rommel a lot of alarm bells go off. He was a nazi. Plain and simple. (Yeah yeah, he wasn’t a member of the party. Who cares? He was a general in the Wehrmacht, if he didn’t support the nazi party he wouldn’t have been there). Why would you devote an entire album to him?

edit: i was talking this album
 
I know ‘historical’ albums like this are a thing. But with naming an album Rommel a lot of alarm bells go off. He was a nazi. Plain and simple. (Yeah yeah, he wasn’t a member of the party. Who cares? He was a general in the Wehrmacht, if he didn’t support the nazi party he wouldn’t have been there). Why would you devote an entire album to him?

edit: i was talking this album

I'm not going near this subject in this thread :roflmao:
 
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I would LOVE some Death Metal suggestions actually…(Have gotten a few random ones from this site just btw since they tend to post bands I’m not really familiar with): Angry Metal Guy

So…I get that beggars can’t be choosers, but I tend to not like traditional Black Metal both lyrically and vocally-After exploring both genres I tend to enjoy Death Metal bands more than Black Metal bands…

Black Metal vocals are annoying to me at that pitch/rate to begin with and while people are welcome to believe whatever they want, I tend to not go in for the whole Satanic angle bc those particular lyrics don’t really appeal to me…

To further clarify-I don’t mind borderline tongue in cheek type stuff or where the band has said “This is just our image” or if lyrics are essentially incomprehensible bc I tend to not notice-I’m talking more about bands like Mayhem and some of those bands from Norway in the 90s that actually burned churches down…(FWIW-I really enjoyed Lords Of Chaos even though I’ve read it is not very accurate to what happened in that scene)…

That minor disclaimer above not withstanding-I stayed away from Death Metal for a while due to not liking the vocals, but the last couple of months I’ve gotten a lot more interested in that sub genre and I don’t tend to really think about the whole cement mixer/guttural vocals bc the music is ultimately what makes it or breaks it…While I still prefer clean/melodic vocals I realized one day that I need to be more open minded on vocal styles…

As I’ve listened to more Slipknot, Slayer, Lamb Of God, (and occasionally Kreator) I think I’ve gotten a little more accustomed to crazy/incoherent vocals over a lot of double bass so maybe (???) that’s why I’m less bothered by Death Metal style vocals…

Side note: I have listened to a $hit ton of Pantera over the last 25 years as they are still one of my favorite bands ever…I actually didn’t like Lamb Of God for a really long time bc I felt like they were just ripping off Pantera…After a lot more listens with a more open mind I believe Lamb Of God are their own thing even though they sound somewhat similar…(I REALLY like the direction Lamb Of God went on their last 3 albums)…

I’m aware that those bands I just listed aren’t Death Metal, but I’m trying to give you some context on bands that have served as a really good gateway drug for more extreme music as I’ve noticed I tend to like some unholy mashup of Thrash, Groove, and Death Metal…

I think that is what I like about Steel Bearing Hand’s last album just btw-They kind of genre straddle-They sound more Death Metal, but you still get a lot of Thrash and some Stoner/Doom hints when they slow their tempo…

Some more extreme Bands/albums that I like beyond Steel Bearing Hand and Suffering Hour (since I already listed those two):

[In no particular order]:

-Death - Human (not really “sold” on some of their other albums, but I was impressed by this album
-Entombed-Left Hand Path (Wolverine Blues isn’t bad, but I seem to like Left Hand Path a lot better)
-Cannibal Corpse- Violence Unimagined
-Black Dahlia Murder- Nocturnal
-Carcass-Heartwork (I only got around to listening to this album this week, but VERY impressed after only a few listens-I need to listen to some of their other albums)
-Obituary-Could use a good album recommendation here-Songs I’ve heard I like overall-I feel like I gave Slowly We Rot a chance a couple of times, but probably need to listen to that one again
A few Cradle of Filth songs-I haven’t really dug into their catalog, but occasionally I notice a song or two I like when I’m listening to an iTunes playlist
-Arch Enemy (I’m not sure they qualify as “Death Metal”
-At The Gates-Slaughter The Soul (downloaded and listened to that a couple of times a few months back, it need to revisit)
-Gatecreeper-Need to give them some more air time, I really like their tempo and drum work and production/mix seems very well done

I feel like I’m missing a few others, but hopefully this will give you an idea of some bands I’ve tried out while exploring the genre…

To your other question-Yes, I’ve heard of Bolt Thrower, but haven’t given them a ton of listening time, so I will give them another shot based on your suggestion (along with the others you posted)…

Thank you for reading-REALLY appreciate the suggestions…

Follow up question-Is there a Death Metal thread on TB any where???

LOVE this particular thread bc it goes every direction imaginable, but also wanna be respectful of other people’s tastes here as Stoner/Doom Metal is a lot slower than Death Metal and I’m not trying to hijack the thread even though no one here has discouraged me from talking about other genres (which I GREATLY appreciate)…

Thanks! \m/
EDIT/Update: WOW I love the underlying riff in that Bolt Thrower song you posted…That’s the kind of stuff I’m after…Will try to listen to more of their stuff over the next couple of days…You can’t go wrong with a riff that sounds that Apocalyptic/Ominous :)
I'm really picky about my death and black metal. Here's some death metal to check out, though I won't claim it's totally in the vein of what you posted...









And I definitely love me some slam:
 
I know ‘historical’ albums like this are a thing. But with naming an album Rommel a lot of alarm bells go off. He was a nazi. Plain and simple. (Yeah yeah, he wasn’t a member of the party. Who cares? He was a general in the Wehrmacht, if he didn’t support the nazi party he wouldn’t have been there). Why would you devote an entire album to him?

edit: i was talking this album


Hail of Bullets are musically comparable to Bolt Thrower in many ways. That was my only point.

I certainly don't look to Death Metal bands or any band to be my moral compass. There are many bands that I loved in the past that I now find difficult to listen to because I've evolved.

Hail of Bullets have claimed not to be Nazis. It's not a debate for this thread or forum though.

Bolt Thrower have claimed to beat the snot out of Nazi skinheads at a show and there is apparently some video evidence of this.

If you'd like to discuss this further PM me.

Thanks.
 
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I’m aware that those bands I just listed aren’t Death Metal, but I’m trying to give you some context on bands that have served as a really good gateway drug for more extreme music as I’ve noticed I tend to like some unholy mashup of Thrash, Groove, and Death Metal…

Some more extreme Bands/albums that I like beyond Steel Bearing Hand and Suffering Hour (since I already listed those two):

[In no particular order]:

-Death - Human (not really “sold” on some of their other albums, but I was impressed by this album
-Entombed-Left Hand Path (Wolverine Blues isn’t bad, but I seem to like Left Hand Path a lot better)
-Cannibal Corpse- Violence Unimagined
-Black Dahlia Murder- Nocturnal
-Carcass-Heartwork (I only got around to listening to this album this week, but VERY impressed after only a few listens-I need to listen to some of their other albums)
-Obituary-Could use a good album recommendation here-Songs I’ve heard I like overall-I feel like I gave Slowly We Rot a chance a couple of times, but probably need to listen to that one again
A few Cradle of Filth songs-I haven’t really dug into their catalog, but occasionally I notice a song or two I like when I’m listening to an iTunes playlist
-Arch Enemy (I’m not sure they qualify as “Death Metal”
-At The Gates-Slaughter The Soul (downloaded and listened to that a couple of times a few months back, it need to revisit)
-Gatecreeper-Need to give them some more air time, I really like their tempo and drum work and production/mix seems very well done

I feel like I’m missing a few others, but hopefully this will give you an idea of some bands I’ve tried out while exploring the genre…

To your other question-Yes, I’ve heard of Bolt Thrower, but haven’t given them a ton of listening time, so I will give them another shot based on your suggestion (along with the others you posted)…

EDIT/Update: WOW I love the underlying riff in that Bolt Thrower song you posted…That’s the kind of stuff I’m after…Will try to listen to more of their stuff over the next couple of days…You can’t go wrong with a riff that sounds that Apocalyptic/Ominous :)

Some thoughts on all of this:

In the vein of a Thrash/Death/Groove combo, I'm not much into groove, but love some Thrash/Death stuff. The Crown, as posted earlier, would be my go to in that vein. However, The Haunted are also top contenders (and were founded by former members of At the Gates after their original dissolution). Vader is phenomenal, and really borders the line of thrash/death to me. They've been around forever. In regards to Kreator, they're one of my favorites, though typically straight thrash. Another band that straddles more of the death metal side of things would be Dew-Scented. And though not really death metal, Tankard is an amazing thrash band. Their lyrics are often humorous, which I quite enjoy.

Per your list of bands, etc., I will only give some suggestions of similar things:

Death - if you like the proggy style stuff, try some Mekong Delta. German thrash, but with all sorts of prog influences. They even did an entire instrumental album of orchestra covers just because. They had a vocalist, just didn't use him. Vektor are somewhat similar if memory serves, but that's a buddy's recommendation. I've never gotten around to them.

Entombed - not my favorite old school Swedish death metal, but obviously a milestone band. I prefer Dismember for that tone. Grave has already been mentioned. Then there's Unleashed and Bloodbath. All are in the same vein. There's an entire sub-genre of HM-2 derived death metal. Gatecreeper and At The Gates are often considered part of that movement.

Carcass - Heartwork is my go-to for them, but I feel that Necroticism is also overlooked. I don't like their first two albums as much, as they are prototypical grindcore which just isn't my thing. Swansong is also underrated. Their newer material is a blend of Heartwork and Necroticism, which is great. Arch Enemy's earlier stuff is also in a similar vein. I prefer their original and second vocalists to their current singer. I feel that they had better instrumentation early on, but none of their albums is bad by any stretch. If you're looking for more of the melodic death metal stuff (which it seems you are, based on some of these bands) early In Flames is phenomenal. Anything up until 2004ish really hits the spot for me, though it's been years since I've listened. Their newer material is still good music, but a distinctly mellower stylistic change overall. I'd also recommend Darkest Hour, Dark Tranquillity, Feared (who actually run the gamut of musical styles, with some songs being very-Pantera-ish), Hypocrisy (a sort of blend of Dismember and old In Flames stylistically), Amorphis, Amon Amarth (if you like Vikings), Soilwork, and Nightrage are also great. Fear My Thoughts went virtually unnoticed, but I loved them while they were around.

In regards to black metal - it took me forever. There are some bands I love, some I simply can't stand. Typically, I like the more proggy stuff, but sometimes the rawness of Mayhem or Darkthrone speaks to me. As far as lyrics, I don't usually care, because I don't often understand them. I often view vocals as simply another instrument. Some of my favorite black metal bands are Immortal, Dissection, Emperor, Dark Funeral, and Nargaroth.

I think that covers it. Most of the other things you posted either fall into something I already put up there or I have no real info about. Doom metal is actually one of the genres I know the least about! I spent years pretty much worshiping Northern European metal.
 
Off topic as per usual, I had a new pedal day at the begining of the week. Went for a Does it Doom walpurgis. Really really really pleased with it into my matamp. Treble boosts, adds a load of punch and can get really filthy. Swapped out my war pig as a result. I didn't realise until earlier today nick of Dunwich helped with it. Anyway here's a partial board shot.

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What's the general consensus on specific dirt circuits around here? Not necessarily the exact clone, but are we Muff-users, Rat-users, OD'ers, or what? Just wondering as I'm digging out my old Iron Pig (Rat) again and digging it. Been thinking of picking up another Rat too, just for fun. So what are some good Rat circuits out there, and what tones are we getting from them? I'd either be looking for an in your face aggressive tone or a doomy thick tone like my Muff (the Iron Pig gets close, but is definitely better at aggression).

EDIT - Kinda all over the place here. Thinking maybe MXR M85 or Blower Box? Had a BB years ago, and it was slightly too trebly, but given my recent embrace of more bite, it may just be right. Also - Landphil (tweaked BB)? Volt Thrower was also amazing, but also slightly more bite than I wanted at the time. I'd love another, but price would probably stay my hand.
 
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What's the general consensus on specific dirt circuits around here? Not necessarily the exact clone, but are we Muff-users, Rat-users, OD'ers, or what? Just wondering as I'm digging out my old Iron Pig (Rat) again and digging it. Been thinking of picking up another Rat too, just for fun. So what are some good Rat circuits out there, and what tones are we getting from them? I'd either be looking for an in your face aggressive tone or a doomy thick tone like my Muff (the Iron Pig gets close, but is definitely better at aggression).

EDIT - Kinda all over the place here. Thinking maybe MXR M85 or Blower Box? Had a BB years ago, and it was slightly too trebly, but given my recent embrace of more bite, it may just be right. Also - Landphil (tweaked BB)? Volt Thrower was also amazing, but also slightly more bite than I wanted at the time. I'd love another, but price would probably stay my hand.
I don't feel like I have a ton of experience, but I lean towards the rats. The JHS Packrat really opened my eyes because it has so many different rats on tap. Many of them bring something way different to the table so they can be useful in varying contexts. The only drawback I feel with the rats is the loss of low end, though that can be a good thing at times. For example, with a very mild amount of gain/distortion/whatever on the Brat it serves as a HPF that adds a little bit of dirt. Sometimes that's just what the doctor ordered. I do have the ability to run rats in parallel because of the HX Effects, though, so when I want more low end it's just a button click away.

If you're at all interested in going the rat route, I'd highly recommend the Packrat.
 
What's the general consensus on specific dirt circuits around here? Not necessarily the exact clone, but are we Muff-users, Rat-users, OD'ers, or what? Just wondering as I'm digging out my old Iron Pig (Rat) again and digging it. Been thinking of picking up another Rat too, just for fun. So what are some good Rat circuits out there, and what tones are we getting from them? I'd either be looking for an in your face aggressive tone or a doomy thick tone like my Muff (the Iron Pig gets close, but is definitely better at aggression).

EDIT - Kinda all over the place here. Thinking maybe MXR M85 or Blower Box? Had a BB years ago, and it was slightly too trebly, but given my recent embrace of more bite, it may just be right. Also - Landphil (tweaked BB)? Volt Thrower was also amazing, but also slightly more bite than I wanted at the time. I'd love another, but price would probably stay my hand.

Big Muff is definitely my favorite for really slow doom metal bass. There's this particular "singing" quality to the sustain that you don't get with other styles of fuzz.
 

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