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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

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YawningJorin said:
As someone who wasn't even born until glam had seen its limelight, been killed, had its tomb desecrated by a necromancer, and was subsequently killed again, I have little very little relation to the genre. I get that it was massive and Kiss were a thing, but my first and last time hearing Def Leppard was on Guitar Hero 6 where they featured Pour Some Sugar On Me. And honestly it sounds like what glam should be to me. It's catchy, the vocal harmonies are really nice, and it doesn't rush itself. It's on my guitar hero favourites playlist and that's about it. So I guess the question is, what's bad about Def Leppard?
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Also born after the glam heyday. Don't disagree that Def Leppard is quintessential glam, I just don't like glam/ most 80s rock that much in general. I do like some thrash, and prog from that era but 80s rock has just never really done it for me. The simple catchy-ness is exactly what I can't stand. I also just don't find the glam rock aesthetic appealing.

Also there was this one time in third grade where we made cookies in class and they made us hold the ingredients up above our heads before using them. I held up the sugar but the bag wasn't closed properly so it poured all over my head. After getting as much as I could off I was greeted by a few kids singing that song. Luckily I had a good sense of humor and found it funny too but I was still extremely embarrassed...

80's pop on the other hand, is one of my favorite genres which I guess entails a little bit of soft rock
 
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YawningJorin said:
As someone who wasn't even born until glam had seen its limelight, been killed, had its tomb desecrated by a necromancer, and was subsequently killed again, I have little very little relation to the genre. I get that it was massive and Kiss were a thing, but my first and last time hearing Def Leppard was on Guitar Hero 6 where they featured Pour Some Sugar On Me. And honestly it sounds like what glam should be to me. It's catchy, the vocal harmonies are really nice, and it doesn't rush itself. It's on my guitar hero favourites playlist and that's about it. So I guess the question is, what's bad about Def Leppard?
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With Leppard it's hard for me to put my finger on it other than to say that I simply cannot stand 99.9% of their music. And it's not that they're glam metal. IMO if you want to hear peak glam metal, reach for Motley Crue in their prime. Nikki Sixx was all about T. Rex and that sort of thing, and once I learned that and realized that Crue were aiming more for glam than metal I better appreciated their stuff. I'm not purporting to be a glam metal expert, but I'll put any of Crue's best songs against any of Leppard's best songs.

I remember in Crue's heyday I didn't like them because I thought, this isn't real metal...it's hardly metal at all. What I didn't realize is that they (well, Nikki Sixx at a minimum) weren't going for metal as I knew it. They were going for glam. (Although as a small town kid who didn't know much past what was on Headbanger's Ball, I did think the Looks That Kill video was pretty badass.)

Going back to Def Leppard, other than just disliking their music in general, I think they couldn't stand up against their peers in comparison. Some songs roughly in the same genre that wipe the floor with Leppard IMO...







 
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Kaa said:
I thought Def Leppard's first album was pretty straight ahead hard rock. Really the only one I can listen to.
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I'll concede that Photograph is not a completely awful song.

YawningJorin said:
Y'all got any good examples of woodwinds in stoner/doom? Subrosa's No Safe Harbour has an amazing woodwind performance including a flipping solo (and that's not even touching on the piano and the koto, but that's a discussion for another day), but that is the one example I can think of at all.
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Check out Blood Ceremony, particularly their second album. I don't know if they're technically doom metal, but they're arguably close.



And yeah, I might have a bit of a crush on Alia O'Brien. Sue me.
 
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Swollen Pickle does HM-2 tones? See about 8:30 in this vid... I'm rather interested!


Regarding the "Big 4" - honestly, who cares? Are there "better" thrash bands of the time period in the US. I would argue yes. But none of it matters. I could easily remove Anthrax and Slayer - never really enjoyed either band - and replace them with Testament and Exodus. So I just don't listen to Slayer and Anthrax and focus on the bands I DO like. Like so much of this, it's about the historic importance of the groups. And while I'm not a big fan of theirs, I do try to listen to them occasionally and see what I'm missing. Some times I even get into new bands by doing that sort of stuff!

I DO love the "Big 4" of German thrash, though. Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, and Tankard are all gold, though I'd say that Destruction is the weak link for me. Still, plenty of solid material, and I'd rather listen to them over Anthrax or Slayer any day! Tankard is one of my favorite thrash (or any other genre) bands ever - the perfect mix of heavy, catchy guitar, and not taking themselves too seriously. If they ever tour the States, I'm going!
 
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Glam is an interesting one for me, thrash too.

YawningJorin said:
As someone who wasn't even born until glam had seen its limelight, been killed, had its tomb desecrated by a necromancer, and was subsequently killed again, I have little very little relation to the genre. I get that it was massive and Kiss were a thing, but my first and last time hearing Def Leppard was on Guitar Hero 6 where they featured Pour Some Sugar On Me. And honestly it sounds like what glam should be to me. It's catchy, the vocal harmonies are really nice, and it doesn't rush itself. It's on my guitar hero favourites playlist and that's about it. So I guess the question is, what's bad about Def Leppard?
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Not completely analogous, but they kinda were the pearl jam of 80s pop metal/glam in regards to popular opinion and the scapegoat of their genre in comparing music quality vs popularity to some. This is coming from someone who's still a pretty big PJ fan. I think PJ were better in all musical aspects (talent, song writing, composition, etc.) And not because I prefer what they play.

I give it to Def though. They kinda are a grandfather of modern pop rock/guitar oriented pop of today. The capability of their drummer after his accident is an impressive testament. Their approach to composition and the idea of space in the mix were influential to my development as well. Almost expells genius of simplicity, and less is more, while sometimes shifting to more is more. In the end, sure I enjoy some of their stuff and the 1st album is good, but I'm not really a fan. Just a casual listener.

ConfoundedBridg said:
Also born after the glam heyday. Don't disagree that Def Leppard is quintessential glam, I just don't like glam/ most 80s rock that much in general. I do like some thrash, and prog from that era but 80s rock has just never really done it for me. The simple catchy-ness is exactly what I can't stand. I also just don't find the glam rock aesthetic appealing.

80's pop on the other hand, is one of my favorite genres which I guess entails a little bit of soft rock
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This reflects a lot of my thoughts on 80s rock and pop. I really dig the pop mentality from that decade of exploring new sounds, structure, and overall new ideas on a lot of fronts. Was there some really bad crap, oh yeah. But there's some stuff that is so good and real creative. Maybe a lot of it is nostalgia, idk.

I will say that after doing a bunch of 80s covers for a big 80s Halloween revue years back, my view on 80s rock really changed. I looked at it as soulless wankery that was just pop music with guitars and shredding. After listening to a lot of deep cuts and learning how to play some songs, I've realized that sure a lot of it is highly polished, but there's some mind blowing amazing gems in the haystack. You just have to look through all the crap. Just like music today, lol!
 
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Damn you people. All of this talk of 80s glam metal has now placed "Here I Go Again" firmly in my head, and I can't get it out. I have no fscking idea of what it means to walk along the lonely street of dreams, and I don't want to know. I lived through that nonsense, and didn't need the trip down memory lane.

I'm just going to sit in the corner and listen to some John Phillips Sousa to get it out of my head.
 
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scabpicker said:
Damn you people. All of this talk of 80s glam metal has now placed "Here I Go Again" firmly in my head, and I can't get it out. I have no fscking idea of what it means to walk along the lonely street of dreams, and I don't want to know. I lived through that nonsense, and didn't need the trip down memory lane.

I'm just going to sit in the corner and listen to some John Phillips Sousa to get it out of my head.
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Throw on "Free For All" by Ted Nugent, it will help.
 
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