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Strange "chorus sound" from my Duck Dunn

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by PatrickJohnson, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Hi there,

    I wanted to run this by the community, as I am stumped.

    My first generation Lakland Duck Dunn (Fralins), which I had modded a while back (added a matching Lakland spec overwound Fralin J, knobs are volume/volume/tone), appears to have developed this strange "chorus" type shimmer. It may have always been there and I never noticed, but since the band has moved to IEM, it shows up in our ears and also shows up on board mix recordings. I play through a GK Fusion and a RBH 115 cab. I have a Sadowsky Pre/DI pedal in there right before the amp.

    It sucks, frankly. With TI flats, this thing is supposed to be all booty and thumpy. Now it has this weird shimmer. Think light chorus. With steel roundwounds, it's more pronounced.

    I was thinking the pickups might be out of phase, or maybe they're too low. Am I on the right track? I've ruled out the Sadowsky, all my effects, and the Preamp tubes, as my other bass, an 1980 Ibanez RS-924 sounds brilliant.

    Can anyone shed light?

    Thanks so much.

    Louisville, Kentucky
  2. FourBanger


    Sep 2, 2012
    SE Como
    Twisted strings?
  3. PluckyThump

    PluckyThump Supporting Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    The Hammer
    What you describe is often caused by the pickups being too close to the strings.
  4. I had that same problem on the E string on my MIM Fender Jazz...it took me a while but I figured out that the E string slot in the nut was cut way too wide. I put in a new nut and it went away.

    In rereading your post, it sounds like it's on all strings. Is this the case?
  5. StuartV

    StuartV Finally figuring out what I really like Supporting Member

    Jul 27, 2006
    Manassas, VA
    Good ideas to check out, so far. One other thing to check is if the pickup is getting microphonic.
  6. Gaolee

    Gaolee Outta my way! I'm caffeinated! Supporting Member

    Try minor adjustments if you don't like it.

    I had something like that with the Ric. It did it unplugged and was some kind of odd resonance in the body or neck. I liked it, but it disappeared when I adjusted the neck a little.
  7. Wow. So grateful for the feedback. I will try all of these things.

    It has been happening on all strings. Bizarre to me.

    Not sure how I can tell if a pickup is getting microphonic, but I'll look that up on my own.

    The bass needs a setup anyway, so maybe I'll have them check all the things noted: nut, pickup heights, microphonic, neck relief, etc.

    Thanks so much!
  8. xaxxat

    xaxxat Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2008

  9. PotsdamBass8

    PotsdamBass8 Supporting Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    Long Island, NY
    I think you can check for microphonics by tapping on the pickups (not the strings, and not with a metal object). There shouldn't be any sound coming through. If there are springs under the pickups, they might be vibrating too. You can stick foam in the spring to stop that.

    In addition to everything else suggested, also check the springs in the bridge. Try playing the bass unplugged and listening for it. You can also smack the strings a few times and listen if anything is vibrating afterwards.
  10. I loved the Fralin video! Nice!

    I have a gig tonight, so I made some adjustments based on what I learned from this thread. I hope I see some improvement!

  11. JTE


    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    TIs are very flexible strings, and therefore more likely to be affected by the magnetic pull of the PUPs than more typical strings.

    BTW, I never heard all booty and thump from TIs. I still have a set because they have s great balanced sound, but they don't sound at all like traditional flats.

    Booty and thump are more like GHS Precision Flats or LaBella 760 Old Originals (or whatever they call them now).

  12. Ric5

    Ric5 Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 29, 2008
    I convert 4 string Rickenbackers to 5 string basses.
    yes the magnets pull on the strings and create false harmonics.
  13. lowphatbass

    lowphatbass **** Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2005
    west coast
    I would start with a good set-up, possibly lowering the pickups. I don't know what your signal chain is but you may consider cutting some highs out of your monitor feed, maybe use a filter.
  14. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    What happens if the Jazz pickup is turned down all the way?
  15. i've never had that happen from pickups too close. maybe super strong magnets, though.

    it's most likely the nut or bridge saddles. do all the strings do it?

    ROOTSnFIFTHS Low-end Lover since '78!

    Oct 25, 2012
    NJ to Sin City
    I have had that issue and solved it through pickup height adjustment (lowering). I would try that first.
  17. Tagruvto


    Nov 2, 2011
    I would suggest that you look at the variables, step by step.

    Does it sound like this through all amps?
    Does it sound like this with no amplification?
    Does it sound like this when only one pickup is selected?
    Do you have some other strings available to try?
    Does it sound like this with a different guitar cord?

    Exhaust the possibilities one by one...
  18. Roy Vogt

    Roy Vogt Supporting Member

    Sep 20, 2000
    Endorsing Artist: Kiesel, Carvin, Accuracy, Hotwire, Conklin Basses, DNA, Eden
    That's usually the culprit, IME.
  19. bass_69


    Dec 10, 2007
    I have a '67 jazz bass that gets this same chorus like sound on only the G string when I get the pups up too high.. It becomes a lot more prounounced the further up the neck I play. I figure it is the magnetic pull of the PUPs.. The problem is that I like the sound on the other 3 strings. It is a lot clearer and more focused with the right amount of growl. I read something about being able to adjust the pole pieces of pickups.. I have some Lollars on another jazz that are staggered. Can the pole pieces be pushed up on the A & D strings so I can then lower the pup to avoid the problem on the G ? Remember this is a vintage instrument and I don't want to damage anything..
  20. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    To do so risks damaging the pickup.