Stupid Leader Tricks

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by jgsbass, Nov 24, 2005.

  1. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    Face it
    We all have worked for them at one time or another.
    Stupid Leaders. Those without the brains to run a job. Rather than list ALL the infractions I have been forced to bear witness to, I'll start slowly.
    Last nights wedding was in a large, bad sounding room w/300+ guests. There is a 16 channel board and leader proceeds to get an input from everyone except the bass. He leaves out 2 mikes for the snare and kick drum. The sound system has a subwoofer and enough power to do the job. So do I as I have a Carver power amp running into a 4 ohm bottom. Gig starts and leader comes over ( after telling everyone to play soft) and tells me he can't hear me. I'm already too loud for the stage if i turn up any more. I suggest he run me through the PA as there 10 pieces being miked already. NOpe, just not possible. The rest of the night, there are sound issues. Leader needs to fiddle knobs all night, even for the few moments when the sound system actually sounded good. BUT HE STILL REFUSED TO MIKE THE BASS. One of the guitarists has his own mini-rig of a nylon stringed guitar and a mixer and powered monitor: this is fed into the PA. Horrible sound all night. Its a good thing these jobs pay money. Not enough for the mental abuse, but close.
  2. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    Same leader
    Emails the band " unfortunately, the gig for next Sunday is cancelled, but the client loves the band. And as soon as they find another groom, we'll have that gig again."
    I'm surprised the leader didn't offer one of us as a groom, just to keep the gig.
  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    This is one of those "oh well" posts, where all you can say is "oh well."

    Oh well.
  4. Oh well.
  5. oldgreyOlds


    May 12, 2005
    Delta, BC
    I like the "find another groom part". If thats the brides attitude towards men, it makes me glad shes waaaaaay south of me.
  6. Bassmanbob

    Bassmanbob Supporting Member

    As far as PA is concerned. For a well paying gig like that, you must have a sound man with proper equipment. We use them all the time unless it's a small room.
  7. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    Actually, we do have a soundman, but he's powerless (and sometimes useless) to do anything.....but........

    Stupid Leader ( lets just use SL) comes up to me 2 gigs later and starts telling me that "he saw some bands and they were amplifying the bass through the sound system and maybe we should try that". The sound man thinks the whole system is due for a critical failure and that bass would only blow out his subs. Oh and there arent enough channels. And on and on. SL owns the sound equipment and hires a guy to set up systems for all of SL's gigs. Out of 10 PA speakers, 7 now have woofers that need replacing. No sound sense, no common sense, no business sense.
  8. Bassmanbob

    Bassmanbob Supporting Member

    Does SL like the sound he's getting? If not, request that you try your sound man with his own equipment for one gig. He'll see quite a difference if the guy is good with good equipment.
  9. NickyBass

    NickyBass Supporting Member

    Nov 28, 2005
    Southern New Jersey
    I think I might have played with that same SL. Maybe it was a different guy....SL syndrome has claimed too many...
  10. willgroove2


    Aug 16, 2003
    chicago IL
    Endorsing Artist;Essential sound products,Dunlop, Ergo Instruments
    Ah yes the SL(i like that term)I have one that i work for quite a bit and he pay's me well but the gig's are a test of patience.we did a wedding a few months ago that went fubar,the SL had been worrying about having to do "3 hours of hard dance music" for weeks.we had been telling him that you have to mix it up and not to worry but he didn't listen he kept calling fast dance stuff and the wedding guest finally all just sat while we kept playing disco infurno.and although he hired a sound company he kept wandering out front(he's a gtr owner with a wireless)and telling the sound guy to turn up and down the whole mix.the whole band was like "hey let them do their job but he wouldn't listen.hard night but a $450 check at the end of the night made me feel better on the ride home.
  11. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    A classic SL syndrome. Can't leave well enough alone.
    I figured out a trick, when my SL walks out, I play lower as he goes farther out, louder as he comes back.
  12. Woodchuck


    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta (Grant Park!)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    Ah yes, the old "it's perfect! Now, let's screw with it!" syndrome. Also known as: If it ain't broke, fix it til it is!
  13. fsanfili


    Feb 5, 2004
    Los Angeles
    As an occasional leader, myself, I am reminded of the classic gag:

    Q: How do you make a musician complain?
    A: Give him a gig.
  14. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    Gig in Baltimore
    Inquire about rooms.
    SL turned down rooms for this job last year (lucky me, I was bumped and worked local)
    Sl says we can have a room for 1/2 price or we can split a room.
    1/2 price is half of $139, a bigger hit than I want to take

    I go down to the gig w/ the guitarist and we're gonna be roomies for the night.
    SL says everything is cool, he has 5 rooms reserved.
    During the job, SL says that each of us can have our own room as some of the band was going home to NY after the job.
    Gig ends, we go to the hotel, another Marriot, down the block from the gig. SL has gone back home at this point.
    While checking in, we are informed that SL's credit card could be used to hold the rooms but we would need written authorization from SL to bill the rooms to him. We try to explain that he's in a car somewhere on 95 heading north and unlikely to have a fax machine with him. Now we're pissed as he swore everything was taken care of. We all get our credit card info out of the Marriot system as none of us wants to be charged for this. Bonus points for SL not answering his cell phone for an hour after we frantically try to call him.
    The situation is eventually resolved, but not before ruining everyones night.
    And I bet he still tries to charge me for the room. :meh:
  15. wow. that beats my SL story anyday. Maybe you and the band should try finding a new leader?
  16. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    Good news: SL didn't charge me for the room
    Bad news: It took him 'til the 27th to pay me.

    Tonights gig has lots of potential. Its a New Years Eve Bar Mitzvah!
  17. willgroove2


    Aug 16, 2003
    chicago IL
    Endorsing Artist;Essential sound products,Dunlop, Ergo Instruments
    true,but a bad SL is a bad SL.i worked NYE with mine last night and he gave me a big check but he's still a SL
  18. jgsbass


    May 28, 2003
    Floral Park, NY
    After 2 or 3 gentle reminders to give me the dates so I can give you 1st call and there won't be confusion over my availability, we arrive at almost the 3rd week of January. No communication. My friend who leads for SL (and brings in an amazing amount of work because he is just a brilliant musician and brings more to a gig in ability than just about anyone else in my area: no small boast) calls and asks "if SL gave me Saturday the 21st" "Of this month," I ask. Why no he hasn't returned any emails or nuttin.I have another gig with another band, I'm covered. Turns out there now is a gig with SL. He finally returns an email asking if I'm free for Sat. Another email explains how he is so busy booking the band he hasn't had time to give me my dates. He then asks if I can sub out the gig and do his gig.
    The club date I 'm booked on is being led by a good friend whoincidently is quite a bass player. He actually tours with a major guitar god but I ain't here to drop names. He can't run a job and play bass( too demanding between singing playing and thinking) so he's also quite the guitarist. I call him and give him the scoop and tell him I'm cool with his decision: his gig is in my book first. Turns out he doesn't think the sub SL has made available is strong enough.

    Too bad SL, you need to get your people skills and business $hit together, I'm doin my friends gig.

    At least I won't have to wait to get paid
  19. Dkerwood


    Aug 5, 2005
    First come, first served.
  20. pulseczar


    May 7, 2004
    San Jose, CA
    This SL I've worked with I don't think is even playing tricks.

    So I get called up to accompany a choir for a wedding. No problem. I've worked with the piano player before and we work well and even though I was called in 18 hours before the wedding, I'm not sweating it because I figure the choir's got their act together and piano player and me could figure out the songs a couple hours before.

    Turns out, the bride or groom thought it would be quaint to have the choir consist of people in the family and theh only thing the conductor (the SL) knows is Solfeggio (do re mi etc etc).

    It gets even worse. He has no sense of time, so while us accompanists are playing the intro over and over because SL doesn't have a clue to come in, he decides to bring the choir in on a downbeat when the music clearly says its on an upbeat.

    To make it an even more interesting gig, everytime the choir got to a triplet or dotted quarter note, they would drag the tempo down, and drag it down so good that I was very wrong because I was a good two or three beats off.

    And I didn't get paid.