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TARA Labs cable challenge!!

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Vanselus has the cables now. I posted a couple quick reports on them, and we had people complaining about posting them before others had the chance to, afraid our findings would color the thoughts of future testers. So, I guess it is going to be a while before anything is posted about it.
 
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Sorry guys, it was me who asked the testers to hold their findings. I felt it was necessary to make this a fair test. I just wanted to make sure there was no bias or peer pressure distorting the findings of the testers. Hopefully we can settle the high end cable debate once and for all.
 
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Petebass said:
Sorry guys, it was me who asked the testers to hold their findings. I felt it was necessary to make this a fair test. I just wanted to make sure there was no bias or peer pressure distorting the findings of the testers. Hopefully we can settle the high end cable debate once and for all.
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Nah Pete, you weren't the only one, and it does make sense.
 
#88
I got to hear them for myself and they did make a difference. Including the power cable. It was pretty darn cool! I feel anyway. I still can't justify the expense of them though. There's my 2 cents. Please no attacks. I'm just saying I heard a difference. That difference was more clarity to my ears. Love to all.......
 
#89
It's possible to make identical sounds seem to have different characteristics; in fact, the tricks are used quite often in marketing. That's why it's best to rely on double-blind tests that remove even subconscious infuences on the listener's judgment. People who have spent significant portions of their careers seriously researching what and how people hear, like Dr. Floyd Toole, Tom Nousaine, Ken Pohlmann, and David Clark, insist on double-blind listening tests to truly compare audio characteristics, and I agree with them 100% on that.

Personally, I've yet to see any evidence or reason to believe that anyone makes wires with unexplained "magical" characteristics. Especially power cords! ;)

Best to ya, Trip! Are you back home now?
 
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Hey Trip,
glad to see you made it home ok! Your clinic at my store was awesome,thanks again!!
Seeing Bob Lee's latest post reminds me of something that happened the other day at my store. Our Tascam rep came in to say hi and to also let me know that he is also our QSC rep.Our other two stores carry QSC,and he really wants my store to stock it too.He also told me how he had recently seen a mutual friend of ours who happens to be the Monster Cable rep,and told me how he really teased him when he tried to tell him about the new Monster Cable power cable! I asked my QSC rep,by-the-way,his name is John Hood,if he tried the Monster power cable and he said no,and he also said that he couldn't believe that they could possibly make an amp sound better.I asked him if he had a minute to try something,and he said OK.I pulled out one of my Tara Labs power cables and took him to the bass department.We hooked up a rig with a standard power cable,then the same rig,and same settings,with the Tara Labs power cable.He was blow away to say the least!!! I handed him the bass to try it for himself,just so he would see that I wasn't trying to alter my playing in favor of the Tara Labs.He was even more blown away!! After a few minutes of going back and forth,I told him about this thread on Talkbass and how Bob Lee at QSC didn't believe it was possible.
A few minutes after John Hood left my store,he called me on his cell phone to tell me that he couldn't believe what he had just heard!
 
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Hey John! What's up? All is quiet on the home front with me. I enjoyed my visit to the store. Hopefully we can do it again later this year. I should be back up there for Bass Quake doing a booth with Uwe. On another note, Bob Lee is a good guy, John, cut him some slack. The QSC plant was incredible. They make all but 2 amps in the line 100% in the USA. That's a good thing in my book. Peace to all here!
 
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cheezewiz said:
So....its ok to post positive comments, but if negative ones get posted, then someone cries to Tim to remove them?
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No, that's not it at all. You've misunderstood. The request was specifically in regard to the round-robin test that Tim set up, it applied (as I understood it) only to those specific testers, and it was only to last until the tests were completed. The idea was to try to avoid prejudicing the perceptions of the testers who had not yet tried the cables. Tripster, AFAIK, is not part of that test, nor is prockenklang AFAIK.
 
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Hey Guys,
I just want to let everyone know that I have nothing bad to say about Bob Lee,in fact,everybody that I know that knows him have told me nothing but good things about him and I am looking foward to getting a chance to meet him! I would still love to cruz down to QSC and get his take on these cables! Maybe he can help shed a little light on why these cables do what they do, I know he has the proper testing equipment,and I too would like to SEE the differences that I can already hear on some sort of scope or some other form of testing equipment.It would also be great,while I'm there, to get a chance see how his amps are made,they sound killer!

In my last post I was not trying to give Bob a hard time,I was just trying to say that finally someone that works with QSC got a chance to try out the cables,and actually heard the difference!

John
 
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prockenklang said:
Maybe he can help shed a little light on why these cables do what they do, I know he has the proper testing equipment,and I too would like to SEE the differences that I can already hear on some sort of scope or some other form of testing equipment.
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Yes. The only way I see to get true results is to put some test tones through a given amp with both cables and look at some kind of graphed audio spectrum readout and see if there are any differences using either power cable.

I remember this being discussed in this thread some time ago, and thought this was how the test was going to be performed.

Human study on this is a waste as none of us, scientificaly measurable, has ever plucked a string exactly the same way twice. Don't even kid yourselves.
 
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Richard Lindsey said:
No, that's not it at all. You've misunderstood. The request was specifically in regard to the round-robin test that Tim set up, it applied (as I understood it) only to those specific testers, and it was only to last until the tests were completed. The idea was to try to avoid prejudicing the perceptions of the testers who had not yet tried the cables. Tripster, AFAIK, is not part of that test, nor is prockenklang AFAIK.
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Thanks Richard. Cheeze, did you relly expect the Tara sales paople to shut up until the test was over? Salespeople never know when to shut up.
 
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prockenklang said:
Hey Trip,
glad to see you made it home ok! Your clinic at my store was awesome,thanks again!!
Seeing Bob Lee's latest post reminds me of something that happened the other day at my store. Our Tascam rep came in to say hi and to also let me know that he is also our QSC rep.Our other two stores carry QSC,and he really wants my store to stock it too.He also told me how he had recently seen a mutual friend of ours who happens to be the Monster Cable rep,and told me how he really teased him when he tried to tell him about the new Monster Cable power cable! I asked my QSC rep,by-the-way,his name is John Hood,if he tried the Monster power cable and he said no,and he also said that he couldn't believe that they could possibly make an amp sound better.I asked him if he had a minute to try something,and he said OK.I pulled out one of my Tara Labs power cables and took him to the bass department.We hooked up a rig with a standard power cable,then the same rig,and same settings,with the Tara Labs power cable.He was blow away to say the least!!! I handed him the bass to try it for himself,just so he would see that I wasn't trying to alter my playing in favor of the Tara Labs.He was even more blown away!! After a few minutes of going back and forth,I told him about this thread on Talkbass and how Bob Lee at QSC didn't believe it was possible.
A few minutes after John Hood left my store,he called me on his cell phone to tell me that he couldn't believe what he had just heard!
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Truly amazing! The Tara power cable makes an incredible difference every time prockenklang demonstrates it to someone but every published double blind test indicates that there is no noticeable difference compared to an oem cable.

I still don't understand how a report from the testers could sway the results of the test. If each tester is just hooking the power cable up and knows which one he's listening to, the tests are flawed anyway. Personal opinions are totally subjective.

It would have been useful some of our more learned members could make suggestions as to how a simple double blind test could be done but I guess that's out of the question since the tests are being held in secret untill they're all finished.

I really hope that Bob Lee gets a chance to test the power cable before time runs out. At least the tests will be done scientifically.

I would like to know how everyone else feels about posting the methods used and the results of the tests as the test procedes.

Harrell S.
 
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