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tb Hip hop Roundtable

and hey i didnt have cross colors and IoUs ..i had pro wings and lee jeans..its about the music and that REAL music spoke to real cats.

Same here buddy! Loved those Prowings with the velcro straps.

ok i see alot of RZA love. Saw some Pete Rock love and some Prince Paul love. got the dilla love

2 pages on the way to the third and and NO DJ PREMIER?!?!?

im almost hurt

I always forget about Premier and for that I'm sorry. But yeah. Gangstarr is dope.

Also, everyone should listen to Binary Star. I came across them through Pandora awhile back, and it's inspiring how two ex-cons made awesome albums such as Waterworld and Masters of the Universe with so little.

Busdriver is also another favorite of mine. He's the one I point to when people say a lot of rap sounds the same. He even gets away with not even rhyming in some of his rhymes yet still sounding like he did.

and as I alwys do in these threads, another bassist that hasnt been mentioned yet is Preston Crump...that dude kills it on all the old Outkast stuff.

Crump's the man. "ATLiens" is my goto lick whenever someone wants to spit over a jam. Outkast is probably my favorite hip-hop duo ever.
 
I'm a big fan of Aesop, Buck 65, Hieroglyphics/Souls of Mischief, GZA, Outkast, Blue Scholars, Dead Prez, Kool Keith (and all his aliases), The Micranots, Panacea, Swollen Members, a lot of the screw music I've been exposed to, plus anything that's got a dubstep influence usually sits well with me. If anyone is interested in the DC scene, my buddy Jamie has a hip-hop show on GW's internet radio, plus his blog is here:
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and, in the interest of full disclosure, I enjoy Lil Wayne... :hiding:
 
On the note that Joegeezer said "It's crap like this that puts musicians out of work"

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Here is a link to a (no longer together) Hip-Hop group called Made-In-China, I grew up with Wisney and I have been good friends with David Pastorious (he is Jaco's nephew) for a while. These guys had one hell of a following here, every now and then you can catch them doing some freestyle stuff at the clubs in the area.

They parted ways as Davids group Local518 grew in popularity, the drummer in MIC was also the drummer for 518.

They were awesome live.
 
I just listened to the guild on myspace, and I'm enjoying it. I'm not huge into the scene here, just because there are a ton of little mac lethals out there trying to be ironic and funny. We do have a pretty cool sunday night hip hop show downtown at the Peanut. Hip hop and hot wings. Kansas city is such a conflicted city, and the world of hip hop is a perfect picture of that. There is a ton of hate inspired, gang banging hip hop, and then there is the political, the funny, and the just good stuff. It's hard to enjoy one and not the other, here. Also, I'm not a tech9 fan, and he's the "god" of kc hip hop, so a lot of people don't like hearing that people don't like tech9.
 
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Also, everyone should listen to Binary Star. I came across them through Pandora awhile back, and it's inspiring how two ex-cons made awesome albums such as Waterworld and Masters of the Universe with so little.

Binary star is awesone Senim & One Be Lo are a great match.
Like they say on the record , 2 emcees that revolve around each other.

As for Can Ox, IMO , The Cold Vein is some of the best hiphop ever recorded. Classic Album, El-P , Vordul & Vaste where on FIRE!!!
To bad their will probably never be another CanOX record.
 
I`m a late-in-life rap and hip hop fan. Mainly due to my job.Over the past 4 years working in a state Youth Correctional Facility I end up listening to the music that our wards favor.

Now,I can only recite a few names and even fewer song titles but the majority of this "new"(to me) music is really some good stuff! Akon,Nelly,Lil Wayne,Snoop Dogg,Tupac...Tupac especially as his lyrics are insightful. Yeah,I`m down with "good" rap(the non-hateful,ultra-gangsta kind) and most of the current,and classic,hip hop.

Working with troubled and gang-entrenched youthful offenders has really taught me--not only how to enjoy these genres of music but also how such urban music directly relates to our population`s personal situations and their(usually)negative sub-culture(read:gang)influenced backgrounds.

Learning to honestly enjoy and like much of this music has allowed me to create a better raport and learning/couseling environment for teaching and guiding these young men.Even these tough kids can`t hide a smile watching a "nerdy" old white man sing along to their favorite tunes.

Music is magic.
 
I would agree. I hear a lot of El-P in what Aesop is doing production wise. It's a lot of hard bass and lazer sounds.

Actually the "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" album by EL-P is another great album that I've been into a lot.

+ a lot for el-p (happen to be listening to him at the moment)

as was the case with pharoahe monch, i was at a big festival/concert deal with no one i wanted to see at the moment and was just walking by and heard something i liked. wow. i was at the right place at the right time.

ill sleep when youre dead is easily one of the best hip hop albums over the past five years. rap in odd time with mars volta? check. trent reznor? check. one sample and one reference to the film anchor man? check. those stats dont lie.

as for other hip hop, i listen to less now than i used to, and ill be the first to admit i can still enjoy a song despite the lyrics being rather absurd (cant relate to 40 inch rims and a 50 inch plasma in my ride yo...). i also tend to still listen to a lot of bay area rap i got into in high school (11/5 [and taydatay], mr dr, yukmouth, cougnut, young dru, e40, lil wyno, brotha lynch, etc.).

i also liked some stuff from mike jones, chamillionaire, and paul wall before chamillionaire did ridin dirty and all that mtv exposure crap. i know that sounds elitist, but i honestly will still listen to day 2 day grindin but cant stand anything theyve put out in years.

and ill go ahead and end my list of artists that i still listen to but that probably dont exist anymore: the dayton family.
 
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as for other hip hop, i listen to less now than i used to, and ill be the first to admit i can still enjoy a song despite the lyrics being rather absurd (cant relate to 40 inch rims and a 50 inch plasma in my ride yo...). i also tend to still listen to a lot of bay area rap i got into in high school (11/5 [and taydatay], mr dr, yukmouth, cougnut, young dru, e40, lil wyno, brotha lynch, etc.).

i must be getting old ..when people say bay area i still think too short and digital underground
 
i must be getting old ..when people say bay area i still think too short and digital underground

Probably ... for as young as the genre is it is old enough to actually start defining eras.

De La just did their "3 Feet High and Rising" 20-year anniversary last year and they were redifining the hip-hop that preceded them.

When I think Bay Area I think Del, but then again I grew up outside of Chicago so for me anything west of the Mississippi blended into "West Coast".
 
ive always associated the Amen around DnB and Jungle. i always feel The JB's Clyde Stubblefield's playing is kinda the root of that hip hop break sound.

either way ive always been into the weirdo samples. grittier more far out samples. thats why ive always been into dilla, prince paul, automator, pete rock. that sp12/1200 sound. short gritty choppy samples from realy off the wall stuff..leaving vocal chops in and never super drum heavy at least from the sample itself.

Yeah I agree, but the Amen beat has been a part of Hip Hop as well. I'm not saying its the only sample, but it's relevant. I like a lot of different Hip Hop acts, but I think the stuff that impresses me the most is the stuff that has a diversity of samples/loops and incorporates live instruments. Cypress Hill (samples from Black Sabbath and other places) comes to mind. The Roots. J Dilla. These are just off the top of my head.
 
Probably ... for as young as the genre is it is old enough to actually start defining eras.

De La just did their "3 Feet High and Rising" 20-year anniversary last year and they were redifining the hip-hop that preceded them.

When I think Bay Area I think Del, but then again I grew up outside of Chicago so for me anything west of the Mississippi blended into "West Coast".

im from Kenosha WI on the IL border..Milwaukee/Chicago is one big home base stomping ground to me and i get that everything blends west of the mississippi. as far as i was concerned scarface could have been from LA. NOW A DAYS theres a sound division..true definition in everything outside of indie rap. i always dug the cold weather sound though (chi/det/cleve/philly/NY) i really feel like growing up with snow toughens cats up a lil more and it always came through in the music.
 
Yeah I agree, but the Amen beat has been a part of Hip Hop as well. I'm not saying its the only sample, but it's relevant. I like a lot of different Hip Hop acts, but I think the stuff that impresses me the most is the stuff that has a diversity of samples/loops and incorporates live instruments. Cypress Hill (samples from Black Sabbath and other places) comes to mind. The Roots. J Dilla. These are just off the top of my head.

agreed
 
im from Kenosha WI on the IL border..Milwaukee/Chicago is one big home base stomping ground to me and i get that everything blends west of the mississippi. as far as i was concerned scarface could have been from LA. NOW A DAYS theres a sound division..true definition in everything outside of indie rap. i always dug the cold weather sound though (chi/det/cleve/philly/NY) i really feel like growing up with snow toughens cats up a lil more and it always came through in the music.

I was so confused when I went to LA and saw guys walking their dogs in november with jackets and hoodies on (at the same time) because it got down to 55-60 degrees after the sun went down.
 
I was so confused when I went to LA and saw guys walking their dogs in november with jackets and hoodies on (at the same time) because it got down to 55-60 degrees after the sun went down.

For the Midwest imports like myself, LA really softens you up. The locals don't really understand what cold is.

I would agree that the gritty weather of the Midwest and Northeast do impart some flavor in the local hip-hop. I couldn't imagine "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" coming out of LA.
 
i must be getting old ..when people say bay area i still think too short and digital underground

dont feel old. im pretty sure half those artists i mentioned dont exist anymore. and a couple of them dont even have a wikipedia page, which doesnt mean they arent good, but they arent exactly well known nationally.

also, by bay area, i mean all the way up to vallejo and sacramento and stockton and whatnot, even though some of those places dont technically touch the bay (stockton does though... and i think vallejo is pretty close... not sure).

also, while im really not that much of a fan of lupe fiasco, track three off his album the cool (go go gadget flow) is absolutely awesome. the rest is okay, but that track really got my attention.

also, tech n9ne actually has some cool beats (187 on a hook with brotha lynch and c bo is great). i cant help but like (and often laugh at) his song im a player, which samples the song amadeus amadeus by falco. priceless. check it out. have a laugh.
 
For the Midwest imports like myself, LA really softens you up. The locals don't really understand what cold is.

I would agree that the gritty weather of the Midwest and Northeast do impart some flavor in the local hip-hop. I couldn't imagine "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" coming out of LA.

Kanye really gave a hard blow to the CHI's grit. i came up in high school with twista mixtapes and later onto bump j. so maybe the winters havent been cold enough there lately. 36 chambers is my cold weather music for sure. De La just may be the softest think coming outta NY and even theyre harder than alot of these fakers out here now.

i never did really dig too much of the LA/West Coast gangsta rap stuff outside of NWA and DJ Quik and that was mainly about the production side i really think its all due to warm weather. on that note though the first second the weather is warm enough to roll down all the windows the volume knob is maxed out and "Dopeman" is on the ipod. Murs is always great for summer jams too
 
I`m a late-in-life rap and hip hop fan. Mainly due to my job.Over the past 4 years working in a state Youth Correctional Facility I end up listening to the music that our wards favor.

Now,I can only recite a few names and even fewer song titles but the majority of this "new"(to me) music is really some good stuff! Akon,Nelly,Lil Wayne,Snoop Dogg,Tupac...Tupac especially as his lyrics are insightful. Yeah,I`m down with "good" rap(the non-hateful,ultra-gangsta kind) and most of the current,and classic,hip hop.

Working with troubled and gang-entrenched youthful offenders has really taught me--not only how to enjoy these genres of music but also how such urban music directly relates to our population`s personal situations and their(usually)negative sub-culture(read:gang)influenced backgrounds.

Learning to honestly enjoy and like much of this music has allowed me to create a better raport and learning/couseling environment for teaching and guiding these young men.Even these tough kids can`t hide a smile watching a "nerdy" old white man sing along to their favorite tunes.

Music is magic.
I just wanted to give props to this post. :)