tc electronic blacksmith

[johnsonabq]

This "perceived volumed" issue is exactly why I'm getting rid of my rh 750 rig. I just don't like the way it gets lost in the mix with two 4x12 cabs . I have 2 2x10 and a 2x12 all tc so I got cab for days but the head just doesn't cut it to me .

2x4-12 cabs hmmm... Every 412 cab I know is 4 ohms. The RH750 is 4 ohm minimum to my knowledge. I'm surprised it works at all. I use the Blacksmith with an Aggie GS412 and it smokes! I'm about to receive an RH450 and RS212 for my small gigs so I can have consistency in my settings.

 

[DuShauh]

2x4-12 cabs hmmm... Every 412 cab I know is 4 ohms. The RH750 is 4 ohm minimum to my knowledge. I'm surprised it works at all. I use the Blacksmith with an Aggie GS412 and it smokes! I'm about to receive an RH450 and RS212 for my small gigs so I can have consistency in my settings.

So...Is it safe to assume that the Blacksmith is what you had hoped for? I have not heard many reviews from anyone who actually gigs with one.

 

[johnsonabq]

So...Is it safe to assume that the Blacksmith is what you had hoped for? I have not heard many reviews from anyone who actually gigs with one.

Yes, yes it is. If I were playing large outdoor gigs I'd have 2 GS412s

 

[BrickBatMansion]

Yes, yes it is. If I were playing large outdoor gigs I'd have 2 GS412s

That is a very nice rig there sir. Very, very nice.

One more of those cabs and you would rule the roost.

 

[johnsonabq]

That is a very nice rig there sir. Very, very nice.

One more of those cabs and you would rule the roost.

Why, thanks. My Spector Euro 5LX just sings out of this thing. I would've gotten an Aggie GS212 for the RH450 but I wanted a more compact rig for those small gigs.

 

[Limeman]

LOVE LOVE LOVE GS412s!!!!!

 

[johnsonabq]

Don't they ROCK!

 

[BrickBatMansion]

Ive never had the pleasure of playing thru one of those aggie 412 cabs. They look awesome.
Have you ever hooked up TC cabs to that blacksmith? Wont that head push 4 of the TC 410's? Can you imagine?
And on that note, I wonder whyTC doesnt make an RH412 cab? CAN YOU IMAGINE?

 

[johnsonabq]

I have not used any RS cabs yet. I haven't seen any around here. Not many TC users in the ABQ area. 16 12" speakers?... Whoa! My RH450 and RS212 are on order.

 

[jungleheat]

That head would have to be the aural equivalent of sleeping with the Victoria's Secret model of your choice (I'll take Laetitia Casta, please) to be worth $2500, especially considering all the controversery over TC flat out lying about their power ratings and inflating them like 200%.

It doesn't have a lot of features, just basic EQ, compression, "tube tone", and a tuner, basic effects loop, and only 2 speaker jacks even though it's rated to 2 ohms. For $2500. Silly me, I just have a Trace AH-600-12, with an expanded 12 band EQ, dual band compression, ACTUAL tubes (with overdrive/distortion and blend), an effects loop section worthy of NASA engineers, and it only costs about half as much. It's "only" 500w, but power is cheap and you could have another 500w for a few hundred bucks, and STILL come in WAY under the $2500 you would need for one of these, AND evidently have MORE power AND more options. But 500w should be enough for just about anyone if you have enough cab, and if you don't have enough cab, all the power in the world won't make a difference.

By the way, my whole setup was just over $500 because I got smokin deals on everything, because I dont believe in spending more money than I have to for no reason. And I would put my rig up against most costing $1000 or so more in terms of tone and features. The only area it really lacks in is cab power handling (at "only" about 600w), but it is plenty loud enough for pretty much anything but 1000+ capacity clubs maybe, which is all most musicians will ever see anyway. Oh, and if I really needed more, I have WHOLE OTHER RIGS that I could bring in to augment my main one, and even with that I'm STILL way under your $2500 budget JUST for your head.

Think about it.

 

[arai]

That head would have to be the aural equivalent of sleeping with the Victoria's Secret model of your choice (I'll take Laetitia Casta, please) to be worth $2500, especially considering all the controversery over TC flat out lying about their power ratings and inflating them like 200%.

It doesn't have a lot of features, just basic EQ, compression, "tube tone", and a tuner, basic effects loop, and only 2 speaker jacks even though it's rated to 2 ohms. For $2500. Silly me, I just have a Trace AH-600-12, with an expanded 12 band EQ, dual band compression, ACTUAL tubes (with overdrive/distortion and blend), an effects loop section worthy of NASA engineers, and it only costs about half as much. It's "only" 500w, but power is cheap and you could have another 500w for a few hundred bucks, and STILL come in WAY under the $2500 you would need for one of these, AND evidently have MORE power AND more options. But 500w should be enough for just about anyone if you have enough cab, and if you don't have enough cab, all the power in the world won't make a difference.

By the way, my whole setup was just over $500 because I got smokin deals on everything, because I dont believe in spending more money than I have to for no reason. And I would put my rig up against most costing $1000 or so more in terms of tone and features. The only area it really lacks in is cab power handling (at "only" about 600w), but it is plenty loud enough for pretty much anything but 1000+ capacity clubs maybe, which is all most musicians will ever see anyway. Oh, and if I really needed more, I have WHOLE OTHER RIGS that I could bring in to augment my main one, and even with that I'm STILL way under your $2500 budget JUST for your head.

Think about it.

You are joking right?
It has way more features the AH 600

 

[babebambi]

You are joking right?
It has way more features the AH 600

It would help if you actually make a list to illustrate your point rather than just saying it is so.
That AH600 has a lot to offer as well.

I want to put it on the record that I think the BS is a nice amp that could have been great.
I think the designer had put the "look" way too much ahead of practicality.
It absolutely does not have to be 4 space, just ridiclous.

 

[johnsonabq]

That head would have to be the aural equivalent of sleeping with the Victoria's Secret model of your choice (I'll take Laetitia Casta, please) to be worth $2500, especially considering all the controversery over TC flat out lying about their power ratings and inflating them like 200%.

It doesn't have a lot of features, just basic EQ, compression, "tube tone", and a tuner, basic effects loop, and only 2 speaker jacks even though it's rated to 2 ohms. For $2500. Silly me, I just have a Trace AH-600-12, with an expanded 12 band EQ, dual band compression, ACTUAL tubes (with overdrive/distortion and blend), an effects loop section worthy of NASA engineers, and it only costs about half as much. It's "only" 500w, but power is cheap and you could have another 500w for a few hundred bucks, and STILL come in WAY under the $2500 you would need for one of these, AND evidently have MORE power AND more options. But 500w should be enough for just about anyone if you have enough cab, and if you don't have enough cab, all the power in the world won't make a difference.

By the way, my whole setup was just over $500 because I got smokin deals on everything, because I dont believe in spending more money than I have to for no reason. And I would put my rig up against most costing $1000 or so more in terms of tone and features. The only area it really lacks in is cab power handling (at "only" about 600w), but it is plenty loud enough for pretty much anything but 1000+ capacity clubs maybe, which is all most musicians will ever see anyway. Oh, and if I really needed more, I have WHOLE OTHER RIGS that I could bring in to augment my main one, and even with that I'm STILL way under your $2500 budget JUST for your head.

Think about it.

Well cool... you got what you want and I got what I want. Isn't life beautiful?

 

[johnsonabq]

It's not basic EQ it 4 band semi parametric. It's not basic compression it's three band compression. Only two speaker jacks dude? You're really reaching to make your point. You want to feel good about your bass rig I'm cool with that but don't dis mine trying to do it. Not cool!

 

[BassmanPaul]

If the OP wants to spend $2500 of his own, no doubt, hard earned money who the hell are we to deride him for doing so! It is simply none of our business.

OP enjoy your new amp!

 

[Smallequestrian]

It would help if you actually make a list to illustrate your point rather than just saying it is so.
That AH600 has a lot to offer as well.

I want to put it on the record that I think the BS is a nice amp that could have been great.
I think the designer had put the "look" way too much ahead of practicality.
It absolutely does not have to be 4 space, just ridiclous.

For one, the EQ on the TC heads are not basic, in fact its probably the single best feature of the amp, next to the compressor. Calling the EQ simple means that he hasn't done more than look at a picture of the controls. For instance, you can set the center points and the levels for all of the EQ controls and recall three different presets instantly.

I personally don't think its worth $2500 either (for that price why not include the cool footswitch?), but there is a lot of cool stuff going on underneath the hood if one takes the time to look into.

 

[Mystic Michael]

Ok. So how have bands been doing it for the past 40 years? Like in the 60's when 100watts was a lot of power and they could still sound good? Or in the 80's when 300watts was a lot and they could sound good? Or today when bands use in-ears and no amps onstage or just monitors? Players have been getting punch and feel for years and on a lot less wattage than your talking about.

Watch out for the Koolaid!

And the TB Luddite traditionalist contingent rears its head yet again...

MM

 

[jungleheat]

You are joking right?
It has way more features the AH 600

You're joking right? Like what? The only things it really has that the Trace doesnt beat is the preset function (which is kind of pointless on an amp with only 7 or 8 knobs, especially if its not footswitchable, which it doesn't look like it is) and the digital out, which seems pretty pointless on a bass amp to begin with.

Well cool... you got what you want and I got what I want. Isn't life beautiful?

Cool. But I got my head for 1/10 of what you paid for yours. Just sayin.

 

[arai]

It would help if you actually make a list to illustrate your point rather than just saying it is so.
That AH600 has a lot to offer as well.

It does indeed. But to say the black smith does not is a bit of fun.

 

[arai]

You're joking right? Like what? The only things it really has that the Trace doesnt beat is the preset function (which is kind of pointless on an amp with only 7 or 8 knobs, especially if its not footswitchable, which it doesn't look like it is) and the digital out, which seems pretty pointless on a bass amp to begin with.

Ah. You are not joking, sorry I thought you may have been trolling.
You say it is pointless with just 8 knobs. I has a shift button, which changes the function of pretty much all the knobs. so it has 14 knobs really.
So it has a 4 band eq. but in shift you can sweep to what frequency you want with each knob. It also has a tweeter tone knob, which is another tone control to simulate what a tweeter knob on the back of a cab does.
the compressor is tri band not dual. the tube tone is really versatile.
the mains in can be plugged into any volt supply without having to change a switch. Handy feature for the forgetful.
plus other features you mentioned
And it has a whole heap more power then the trace at 13 pounds lighter.

Yes it does have a foot switch for the pre sets and it has a mute and tuner display on it too. I used to have a pedal board with a tuner , fuzz, distortion and a boost pedal on it. Now I just plug into the amp The tc with the foot switch covers it.

I don't have the black smith but I do have the RH450 which has a similar feature set.