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tc electronic blacksmith

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I run a TCE BH500 with G-K 2x12 and that is plenty for me. It has similar presets, (love them), and the tube-tone works great, etc etc. I test drove the Blacksmith and was blown away. It takes 10x the wattage to double the sound as a rule. So yes, the Blacksmith gets way loud. The amazing thing was how great it sounds at ANY volume. I don't imagine I will ever find myself "needing" one of these beasts, but I sure do want one. This amp is a very seriously ILL piece of gear.
 
As one who was around back then, things are very different, and IMO, much better these days. Today, there are drivers available that cabinet makers couldn't even dream of back them. However, there is no 'free lunch'. Some of today's cabs that are small, loud, and go deep, pay a cost in efficiency (i.e., volume per watt). It takes more wattage to get these more fullrange cabs up to full gig volume. The good news today is that watts are light and relatively cheap.

Will everyone need 600, or 750 or 1000 watts today. Of course, not. However, it is great to know you can drive huge low end and a very even, clean response at high volumes out of cabs that are a fraction of the size and weight of what you would have needed way back in the day. That, to me is a wonderful trade-off.... buy an amp with 500-1000 watts that weighs between 5 and 15 pounds, and then use the cabinet of you choice.

It is a wonderful time to be a gigging bassist regarding gear choices. I can literally do a moderate volume rock/pop/funk gig now with 500 watts driving a 3012LF loaded 2 or 3 way cab, and the entire rig weighs under 40 pounds!


Hello,

With regard to age, I have been at it for a while, 44+ years.

50, 100, 300, 500 or even 5000 watts - as a friend and I discuss. Stop chasing the "Tone Monkey".

Every time something new comes out we gotta have it.

I really agree with your conclusions - under 40 pounds - That's the ticket.

Over the past 44 years I have bought about 100 different basses and another 30 amps and where am I now.

A old P bass (where I started at the beginning) with a TC BH250 head and a Crazy 88 cabinet. And I have not found a gig I can't do yet. When I need the help I let the PA do the rest.

I love the TC stuff no matter what the rating and the tone with the 88 - that's my ticket. If you like it, play it.

Find your tone and keep it, no matter what the rating. The "Tone Monkey" will cause you to go broke and keep you frustrated - I know.

And when all the stores have the new stuff - look at it and say that is nice and walk away.

If the 450 is only 230 watts - to me it is a great 230 watts.

Good luck to you all on your purchase of your new equipment.

I'll get off the soap box now - sorry.
 
Bass player from my band bought the Blacksmith today, for under 1000euros. Apparently the prices are getting lower and the store decided they're gonna go even lower to make the first sale in the city, since their initial price was close to 3000 euros, which is insane.

I'm also a some time bass player, guitarist, but primarily I'm a live sound engineer, that's what I make for living.

First impressions:
I really think the tone is mostly in the player, and the way he approaches the instrument, band and the music in the end, so if it works for person A, it might be totally unusable with person B.
The amp is nowhere near vintage tone. It's modern sounding off the bat. It's not sterile in any way, and it does not feel "colorless" despite being digital class D modern beater. It's a warm sounding amp.

The bass player uses four string American Jazz with Seymour Antiquity's, but had only 4 string Vintage vibe Squier with Fender American Jazz pickups today, so we had to settle for a little less interesting sounding instrument. Before Blacksmith he used VT Bass deluxe into Ashdown 8x10" and a custom 2x15". Tuning of the bass guitar is BEAD.

Tubetone pot is useful until 3/4, when it goes into fuzzy territory. A bit of a overkill and for some of the people it's the the less usable part of the tubetone control. Imagine Sansamp BDDI with gain maxed out. Tubetone pot goes beyond that and sound way fuzzier than BDDI.

Why I mention BDDI? BDDI is sort of a swiss knife. Most people are not fond if it, but I'm yet to find a band that uses it and has problems with it in band situation. It may not have stellar tone, but those things cut through the mix in a way that the bass guitar almost instantly suplements the guitar and fills out the band's sound and every single note is same power and volume.

Blacksmith has similar character. We did not tried it yet in a band situation (will in a day or two and I'll get back with results), but all the low notes, on the thickest B string, from open to 12th fret were equally strong and defined.

He misses some of the grit and "ampness" of VT Bass, because it was impossible to dial in similar tone, when the drive on VT bass is crancked for instance. But compression of notes was beyond VT bass'es capabilities.

Blacksmith cannot give distortion, but on the other hand, tone controls offer much more control of the tone. Front panel and controls are idiotproof and easy to use. He said: "I started tweaking the frequencies but in the end it's just too much stuff going on, so I went back to the basic 12 o clock setting, and just played with basic 4 tone pots." It's easy to get lost in turning too much knobs. :)

Compressor works good, the tweeter thing is useless for our type of music.

The tuner is super fast and works great! There's no lag between switching presets.

We tried VT bass into eff return to use just the power section and besides silly amounts of power, it did not color the tone of the VT bass at all. Sounded identical as his Crown CE1000 slave he used for driving the cabs before.

Price of this amp is going down, most european dealers cut the price, so now it's in a sane price range for most of the working bass players that need power and good tone shaping. People that dig BDDI might just like this amp. The bass player from Mastodon uses one, so you get an idea of bass audience it's intended to.

Will try with some dirt pedals to see how it copes with that, while not being able to provide distortion on it's own, a lot off bass players use Rat's, Big Muffs or some other pedals to get some grit. If it won't sound "digital" or artificial, it will turn out as a really nice amp.
 
I dont really understand the hating for the RH series here.
I am giiging with a top tribute band and recently bought the RH750. I use it with a 4x12 loaded with 4 celestion 300W speakers and a HF Horn. I dont really care what the traditional stats say because it isnt a traditional amp. My 750 is far better than my previous pre amp and seperate 2 x 400w RMS stereo power amp setup. I played an outdoor festival with several thousand peeps and never got close to driving the RH 750 hard. It sounds great. It cuts through. My band have all noticed the improvement. There is simply no way that the RH750 is on a par with 300W RMS amps. Its a monster and I love it. So the Blacksmith, whilst I agree is lrobably oversized, can only be the same but more powerful.
love these amps.:hyper:
 
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I am planning to purchase a Blacksmith, I am sure Class D 1,000+ Watts is the way to go. I have a doubt , however , since the Blacksmith does not have the multivoltage 90-240 Volt power supply. That means I will have to buy the European version to be able to connect to a 230 Volt/50 Hz mains.
 
I am planning to purchase a Blacksmith, I am sure Class D 1,000+ Watts is the way to go. I have a doubt , however , since the Blacksmith does not have the multivoltage 90-240 Volt power supply. That means I will have to buy the European version to be able to connect to a 230 Volt/50 Hz mains.

Yes, you need to buy the model that matches the power for where it will be used.
 
Hi. I just purchased a Blacksmith myself.. It's my first Solid State amp since the 80's.. Very impressed with the features and power of this head.. I've used many brands over my 30yr+ career , Full Tube, Tube preamp with Mosfet Power and Solid State.. I currently use Ampeg Svt CL,a VR and 2Pro with with different cabs .. 8/10" SVT AV,8/10" SVT E, Mesa 4/12" PowerHouse, David Eden 4/10".. All 4 ohm cab applications.. I'm just starting to experiment with the Blacksmith with my 4/10" Eden cab and find it a totally different beast than most Solid State amps.. I'm going to try it out at rehearsal with my 8/10" Svt E cab and compare it with the SVT 2pro head.. I know they are from to different worlds but the Blacksmith might be a useful tool out for "Live" and Studio applications.. Anybody else own a "Blacksmith" and have any thoughts on it? Thanks..
 
Let's resurrect this thread. Anyone tried it with TC's new 1×15 cab? I'd have thought, being capable of 2 ohms, someone would run it with 2 4×10 and 2 1×15. Or rather I would if I had the money or stages big enough. I'm not in Pink Floyd or Queen, so the chance of me getting use out of all of that is fairly remote, but a man can dream...
 
Resurrecting this old thread to hopefully get some feedback from you guys that have had them for a while.
I have the opportunity to buy a Blacksmith and was wondering what thoughts are now that they are circa 10yrs on the market.
Currently using a Mesa Mpulse into Subway 210 / 115 cabs.
Dave