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Ken
All good here thanks - yep, the 450 with the AE cabs brings out the bark in the Neos, we have had some very convincing SVT tones from this combination!
Mark
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TC Electronic RH450, RS210, RS212 Review Thread
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Ken
All good here thanks - yep, the 450 with the AE cabs brings out the bark in the Neos, we have had some very convincing SVT tones from this combination!
Mark
How would something like the GB Shuttle Max 12.0 compare with the RH450 driving Bergantino AE cabs?
Which has more midrange punch but stays clear,
- fuller useable lows
- sounds the best straight out of the box without too much harshness and fussing over EQ.
Which has more midrange punch but stays clear,
- fuller useable lows
- sounds the best straight out of the box without too much harshness and fussing over EQ.
The 'apples to apples' comparison is the Shuttle Max 6 with the RH450. The 12 has two separate power amps, and is designed to power two large cabs.
I have not heard the Max 6 with the Berg, but would assume it would sound good.
Both of these heads IMO require a slight amount of fussing out of the box to get a good sound, but that's a minor thing. I would think both would kill. The main difference is the more (for lack of a better term) 'digital' approach of the RH450, which looks like a single channel amp, but is actually a fully featured three channel amp, with multiple programmable presets, etc., versus the more traditional 'analog' approach of the Max 6, with a zillion knobs, one for each function.
Both are about the same price, and even though I haven't A/B'd them directly, seem to put out about the same wump (the original Shuttle 6 is not quite in the same league IMO).
I would be happy with either. I chose the RH450 myself, due to size, and the almost endless tonal possibilities with just a few simple knobs and buttons.
As Ken mentioned, the Max 6 is the better head to make a comparison with.
The EQ's of both heads are powerful enough to dial in mid-range punch, so I wouldn't worry with that. Same for low end, but I will say that the RH450 has some serious "heft" behind the notes.
You mentioned harshness. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, but most people tend to associate harshness with upper-mid articulation and really crisp highs. If you're really put off by that, then you'd have to start off EQ'ing the Shuttle right out of the box. It's not hard to do because of the powerful EQ, but it is inherent in the voice. The RH450 however is tamed in the highs and has a warmer upper-mid. I still pull just a touch out around 800hz with my jazz basses, and they just sound great through the RH450.
I've not done a direct comparison with any of the Genz gear and the RH450, but of the two Shuttles I've owned, my LMII had more power than both of them. The RH450 keeps up with the LMII and retains it's punchy. After that, it get's even LOUDER, but it does start to really full like an all-tube head because of their APM technology. TC says you can drive the amp as hard as you want and it won't clip. I think they are right.
TimothyGroovy
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Any folks can give some thoughts on RH450 compare with Aggie AG500? if it is possible to get that warm solid state tone? Thanks
I dont see many on here with Two 2x10 cabs. I am the type that is always turning my low end down so I really lean away from the 12's. I like a lot of punch and it seems like the right way to go. I hate not being able to find a place here in Bakersfield Ca. to go and play them. I special ordered a 2x10 from Guitar Center here and they told me they just ordered 2 so they would have one to play with. I may just take them both when they show up tomorrow.
By the way, I saw in earlier post guys putting up what artists are using the TC combos now. Well I saw Tower Of Power a week ago and Thats what Rocco Prestia is now playing. Seeing him with it is what sold me.
By the way, I saw in earlier post guys putting up what artists are using the TC combos now. Well I saw Tower Of Power a week ago and Thats what Rocco Prestia is now playing. Seeing him with it is what sold me.
Superior in every way compared to the Aggie.... much better EQ, warmer, punchier, smaller, lighter, less expensive. No comparison IMO.
The only downside I can see to the FH450 for some is that it might be a bit too 'warm' for some who really want a modern, quick, clean, bright, more 'transparent' tone.
TimothyGroovy
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Thanks for your reply! KJ... ya, you pointed out one of my concerns as well.. I want to get something in between of "too warm" and "Modern clean bright" thingy...
And to be clear, the AG500 of course sounds good, but it is more 'fat' in the low end than particularly tubey or warm in an absolute sense to my ear. I like to be able to get a burpy thump out of a rig easily, and I found that was one of the AG500's weaknesses (the mid voicing and EQ just didn't sit well with many cabs and especially J type basses to my ear). The RH will REALLY burp and 'chest thump' if you want it to, and it will get a bit bloomy and big like the AG if you really want it to.
The AG500 really has its own sound to me which many really dig, but you can get into trouble if you try to push it too much away from that tone by turning the knobs. The RH450 is more chamelion like, and can go a lot of different directions. However, it always stays more 'warm' than, for example, the Markbass heads or the much brighter Genz stuff IMO.
Don't forget about the MB LMII/III also. I can get it to do almost everything the RH450 does (using the VLE filter) other than full 'tube emulation' and grind, for much less money.
I'm again only talking about the head. I've never heard the cabs, but have no GAS to even try those.
Don't rush into a RH450 as his is a custom model. TC will release more news on this as they see fit I'm sure. The RH450 Rocco model is called the Staccato'51.
TimothyGroovy
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poptart
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Mark
The Staccato '51 was released in the UK yesterday, I have one coming in very soon......
Mark
I can see the voicing of the TC stuff to work very well for Rocco. They really do that 'warm, dig in at the bridge punch' very, very well. Cool.
What do you think about the TC for Double Bass?
i like a more fat , warm dark sound instead of a faster, more modern sound, thanks in advance
Nuno
I'm not a DBer. I know DB amplification is a totally different ballgame. The input impedance listed for the RH450 seems 'piezo pickup' friendly, and the 4 bands of semi-parametric EQ seem to be plenty to deal with the quirks and unique issues of theinfinite number of DB voicing/pickup voicing issues.
I'll hook up my Mouse with it today (which has a buffered piezo pickup and is at least a little bit DBish) and give it a spin today and send you a PM. That will at least be a little info for you.
One thing for sure, the memory presets would be a pretty good thing for doublers, even though there aren't dual inputs.
K
Just listened to the Rocco interview on the TC website. I guess all I can say is I've never heard so many words used to communicate so little
The spec's look identical to the RH450. It looks to me like it is an RH450 with a 'default' voicing built in when you turn the amp on that sounds like what Rocco likes (versus the 'neutral setting' of the RH450), and a different color case. They probably tweaked the 'Q' on the mid controls a bit also.
Might be more than that, but at the moment, that's what it seems. If so, 'meh'.
Edit: Looks like they have a 112 cab now also (with the coax tweeter). That's nice, since you can get two of them and run the amp at full power. I assume the voicing would be between the current 210 and 212 (due to what looks like a smaller internal cab volume of the 2 x 112 versus the current 212). Nice... two would give you 4ohm operation, and I would guess more volume and oomph than a single 210, and less 'boom' and more punch than the current 212.
TimothyGroovy
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Ya! just found the 112 cab as well!! that's damn nice home rig!! So tempting
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I'm very interested in that 1x12. I liked the sound of the RS212 I tried but the weight to volume level was not too my liking. As an 8 ohm cab, my Mesa 112 was just as loud and easier to carry. The new 112 looks like it would be an easy carry thanks to the cube size and the placement of the handle.
It should be priced very well too. This could be very cool.
It should be priced very well too. This could be very cool.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but I have found the cabs to be quite akward to carry. Admittedly I'm a small guy (5'5") but I still found them quite bulky. The cabs weren't particularly light.
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