I have a RC4 footswitch that is new in the box for the RH450 and will sell it for $100 I am a test pilot (for the RH450) and use A bass pod with it and so do not need the Foot switch.
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TC Electronic RH450, RS210, RS212 Review Thread
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Hey Ken,
Let me know how you like the RH450. I'd love to check one out, although my Puma sounds great with my RS210 and I have a 212 arriving today. It should be fun to hear those together.
Let me know how you like the RH450. I'd love to check one out, although my Puma sounds great with my RS210 and I have a 212 arriving today. It should be fun to hear those together.
Just pulled the trigger on one. Will arrive shortly. I tried to buy Eublet's old little-mark II but I missed it. I suppose I'll have to settle.
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Haha, you won't be disappointed I think. The rh450 is amazing. I'm trying to make myself not talk about so that I'm not seen as THAT guy who found the best amp ever.
Mine will be here tomorrow, early afternoon. I'll post up. I'm still totally digging the Puma!
Head arrived a little bit ago. Very nice! A few quick observations:
1) The 'flat/neutral' setting is a bit uninspiring to my ear. No big deal there, but very different from, for example, the MB or Tecamp stuff that sounds full, fat, even and forceful right out of the box
2) It feels more like a 'lightweight full sized head' than a Micro. This also is not a bad thing. It has a bit of the look and feel of those Panasonic 'Toughbook' PC's... very sturdy, with a thick metal case. Nice... still only around 10 pounds.
3) The Ampeg heritage... I can sure hear it, but it is much better... warm and fat, but still quick and accurate. It LOVES my 60's inspired J bass with nickels and a RW board... fabulous 'old school meets new school' tone.
4) The tube emulation control is wonderful. At low levels, it is warm and fattens up the tone, and adds that 'tube like' complexity with no distortion. Nice, and it reminds me a bit of that Carvin B1500 drive control at low settings. It will snarl when cranked, but that's not my thing.
5) Tuner... much better than I would have thought. It tracks quickly. It won't lock into the B string in 'real time', but in the more exact mode it goes into when muted, it works great on the open B. VERY impressive, and this comes from a guy who uses the amazing Sonic strobe tuner regularly.
6) EQ points.... they look strange on the spec, but work perfectly (at least with my AE410). The bass knob is more like a low mid knob with more balls... nice... fat without boom.
7) I can hear that 'tube emulation' sort of limiting thing when I push it. Very different from the TecAmp and MB stuff that stays very even and exact right up to the point of the limits of the amp. I like it, and it is very convincing sounding... that 'tube soft compression' when pushed. Again, not my thing in general, but IMO, well executed.
Haven't messed with the compressor yet, or the EQ shift. Quite frankly, I can tell already I would have been just as happy with the 'Classic 450', but I'm glad I sprung for all the cool lights and buttons
Very nice, and a great execution for those who dig a more rock oriented tone but want it small and light. I like it very much so far.
I'll post up more detail versus the Marbkass F1 and LMII after I spend some time. I guess I will just say now that for those who like the TF550b with the AE410..... buy one of these today!
1) The 'flat/neutral' setting is a bit uninspiring to my ear. No big deal there, but very different from, for example, the MB or Tecamp stuff that sounds full, fat, even and forceful right out of the box
2) It feels more like a 'lightweight full sized head' than a Micro. This also is not a bad thing. It has a bit of the look and feel of those Panasonic 'Toughbook' PC's... very sturdy, with a thick metal case. Nice... still only around 10 pounds.
3) The Ampeg heritage... I can sure hear it, but it is much better... warm and fat, but still quick and accurate. It LOVES my 60's inspired J bass with nickels and a RW board... fabulous 'old school meets new school' tone.
4) The tube emulation control is wonderful. At low levels, it is warm and fattens up the tone, and adds that 'tube like' complexity with no distortion. Nice, and it reminds me a bit of that Carvin B1500 drive control at low settings. It will snarl when cranked, but that's not my thing.
5) Tuner... much better than I would have thought. It tracks quickly. It won't lock into the B string in 'real time', but in the more exact mode it goes into when muted, it works great on the open B. VERY impressive, and this comes from a guy who uses the amazing Sonic strobe tuner regularly.
6) EQ points.... they look strange on the spec, but work perfectly (at least with my AE410). The bass knob is more like a low mid knob with more balls... nice... fat without boom.
7) I can hear that 'tube emulation' sort of limiting thing when I push it. Very different from the TecAmp and MB stuff that stays very even and exact right up to the point of the limits of the amp. I like it, and it is very convincing sounding... that 'tube soft compression' when pushed. Again, not my thing in general, but IMO, well executed.
Haven't messed with the compressor yet, or the EQ shift. Quite frankly, I can tell already I would have been just as happy with the 'Classic 450', but I'm glad I sprung for all the cool lights and buttons
Very nice, and a great execution for those who dig a more rock oriented tone but want it small and light. I like it very much so far.
I'll post up more detail versus the Marbkass F1 and LMII after I spend some time. I guess I will just say now that for those who like the TF550b with the AE410..... buy one of these today!
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Cool review bro!!!
Looking forward for the RH 450, F1 and MBII review, I would like to choose one of them for my smaller rig!!
Thx!!
Looking forward for the RH 450, F1 and MBII review, I would like to choose one of them for my smaller rig!!
Thx!!
Head arrived a little bit ago. Very nice! A few of quick observations:
1) The 'flat/neutral' setting is a bit uninspiring to my ear. No big deal there, but very different from, for example, the MB or Tecamp stuff that sounds full, fat, even and forceful right out of the box
2) It feels more like a 'lightweight full sized head' than a Micro. This also is not a bad thing. It has a bit of the look and feel of those Panasonic 'Toughbook' PC's... very sturdy, with a thick metal case. Nice... still only around 10 pounds.
3) The Ampeg heritage... I can sure hear it, but it is much better... warm and fat, but still quick and accurate. It LOVES my 60's inspired J bass with nickels and a RW board... fabulous 'old school meets new school' tone.
4) The tube emulation control is wonderful. At low levels, it is warm and fattens up the tone, and adds that 'tube like' complexity with no distortion. Nice, and it reminds me a bit of that Carvin B1500 drive control at low settings. It will snarl when cranked, but that's not my thing.
5) Tuner... much better than I would have thought. It tracks quickly. It won't lock into the B string in 'real time', but in the more exact mode it goes into when muted, it works great on the open B. VERY impressive, and this comes from a guy who uses the amazing Sonic strobe tuner regularly.
6) EQ points.... they look strange on the spec, but work perfectly (at least with my AE410). The bass knob is more like a low mid knob with more balls... nice... fat without boom.
7) I can hear that 'tube emulation' sort of limiting thing when I push it. Very different from the TecAmp and MB stuff that stays very even and exact right up to the point of the limits of the amp. I like it, and it is very convincing sounding... that 'tube soft compression' when pushed. Again, not my thing, but IMO, well executed.
Haven't messed with the compressor yet, or the EQ shift. Quite frankly, I can tell already I would have been just as happy with the 'Classic 450', but I'm glad I sprung for all the cool lights and buttons
Very nice, and a great execution for those who dig a more rock oriented tone but want it small and light. I like it very much so far.
I'll post up more detail versus the Marbkass F1 and LMII after I spend some time. I guess I will just say now that for those who like the TF550b with the AE410..... buy one of these today!
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Great review, Ken! It does have more of an old school R&R vibe to it. But I like it for slap and funk too - it gives you more of a retro funk sound, instead of the clean glassiness that is so prevalent today..
+1 and thanks for the great service. It gets plenty clean and bright also, but it just SINGS with a more 60's style instrument with nickels on it to my ear. Very impressive amp.
I look forward to pushing it on a gig. In the basement, it just sounds beautiful with the Bergantino AE410, which has a punchy and grindy voice, but can be a little 'much' in the upper mids. This head is voiced just perfectly to do the 'punchy, growly old school J bass or I assume P Bass type tone', and it cranks the volume very nicely.
I like it a lot.
That was my first reaction as well, at least with the 55-02 I was using. With a jazz or precision bass, it seems more at home with the EQ just off flat. I find that my Lakland DJ sounds best with the default EQ points, lows boosted two clicks (three LEDs lit), and hi mids cut two clicks. Fat and very vintage sounding. I've even been cutting highs two clicks to get even more warmth. I know you love a good jazz bass, and to me this is it, although definitely not zingy. It allows the grinding fret noise that I love so much to come through without sounding clackety. Not sure what the default voice is of the AC's you play, but it's beautiful with the DJ.
That's probably close to the tone I'm getting with the DJ then.
This is where I wondered if it would really start to turn you off.
<Arnold voice>Haven't messed with the compressor yet, or the EQ shift. Quite frankly, I can tell already I would have been just as happy with the 'Classic 450', but I'm glad I sprung for all the cool lights and buttons
But you wouldn't have the tuna...
</Arnold voice>
Cool looking forward to it. That's how I've been describing it. Sort of a Thunderfunk with more features and more grit control. Perhaps not quite as punchy at higher volumes, but in that tonal category. It also reminds me a litltle bit of an AG500, although it's been a while since I've played one of those so don't hold me to it!
I've been graduating back toward jazz basses....again. I think I just need to accept your fate for myself and realize that nothing compares to a great sounding jazz bass. For me, this rh450 really seems to help me get that warm vintage sound I love, with a bit more punch/clarity that I can add or subtract at will.
That's EXACTLY where I ended up quickly with the Alleva-Coppolo LG... just tame the upper mids a touch (default is perfect at 800hz... same as the MB stuff and the TecAmp), and just a couple of clicks on the bass control (that unusual 280hz shelving does a great job of 'fat and no boom').
Very nice. I don't know if that 'tube emulation limiter' kicking in when I push it will work for me or not. I won't be able to tell until I push it on a gig. It is VERY pleasing to the ear in the basement though.
I look forward to messing with the EQ points to attempt to emulate the clean snap of the F1 or the smooth, fat, creamy tone of the Puma. Fun!
HA! Co-inky dinky, eh?
I'm not sure I would really dig it at the maximum limit, but for most normal gigs I play the limiter never kicks in. For all the others there is just enough limiting that I enjoy the effect. I do turn off the compressor and Tubetone completely when I'm pushing it hard or it becomes too smooth for my tastes. Haven't needed that amount of volume on a gig though, and likely never will.
All nice stuff, and all quite different sounding. Don Oatman (LDS) came over and we pounded these for the last hour. There is still something just perfect to me about that Puma head. It sounds very similar to the warm, punchy RH450 down low, but has that almost 'Glockenklang' glassy, pure, top end to it.
Anyway, all nice stuff, and I'm quite impressed with the warmth, growl, and punch of the TC RH450, and the features are very useful.
I'll gig it a bit and then put up a thread on some more detailed comparisons if I feel I have something worth saying!
as far as my experiences went with this head, you can control the limiter-kickin via the the master levelcontrol of the preamp. it effects the mastervolume ajustments, too. its quite subtile. and nobody talkes about this feature.
I believe you are talking about the compressor level. We are discussing the power amp 'tube emulation' limiting that gradually kicks in as the power amp reaches its volume limits.
no, i'm talking about the level control, which is for leveling the three different memorys.
push the shift-button, than you can adjust the so called preset level. i believe this effects the kickin-point of the power amp limiting, too.
+1 TC is calling their implementation APM, for Advanced Power Management. There is a write up on this at their website, detailing their goals.
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I haven't messed with the presets yet. What you describe, I assume, is to equate the volumes of the presets given different EQ or tubetone settings (or to provide a 'solo boost'). While this would impact the level of signal going into the power amp, I wouldn't think it would impact the power amp limiting in a specific way (i.e., other than just altering the signal level reaching the power amp just like the pre gain control or EQ boost or cut), but not sure. It will be fun to mess with a bit.
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