This is a good point, and I also like your idea about using modular rs112s.
Speaking of which, same question as I asked above about the 210: How big a place could you play with the 450 and a single 112 and still feel full and heard?
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TC Electronic RH450, RS210, RS212 Review Thread
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This is a good point, and I also like your idea about using modular rs112s.
Speaking of which, same question as I asked above about the 210: How big a place could you play with the 450 and a single 112 and still feel full and heard?
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Power: 450 Watt (800+W peak)
Weight: 26kg / 57,3 lbs
Balanced 'DI' output: Galvanic isolated transformer-balanced (pre/post pre-amp)
Tone controls: Low shelf (71Hz - 1.1kHz), Low Mid (100Hz - 1.6kHz), High Mid (200Hz - 3.1kHz), High Shelf (400Hz - 6.3kHz)
Headphone output: Speaker filter + Rehearsal stereo output
Tuner: Chromatic
Presets: 3 x user memories
Compression: SpectraCompTM multi-band compression
Drive: TubeToneTM full amp simulation
Preset level: 12dB range
Recording out: AES/EBU 96kHz output (S/PDIF compatible)
Rehearsal in: Stereo RCA input, (RCA-mini jack cable included)
Remote connection: 7-pin DIN connector incl. power and communication
Enclosure: 18mm plywood side panels, 18mm carved hardwood rounded corners
Surface treatment: 'Anti-skid' dual component surface
Porting: Rear porting
Woofer: Eminence custom 10"
Tweeter: Eminence 33mm voicecoil, titanium diaphragm
Tweeter adjustment: L-pad (off - 0dB)
Power: 450 Watt (800+W peak)
Weight: 26kg / 57,3 lbs
Balanced 'DI' output: Galvanic isolated transformer-balanced (pre/post pre-amp)
Tone controls: Low shelf (71Hz - 1.1kHz), Low Mid (100Hz - 1.6kHz), High Mid (200Hz - 3.1kHz), High Shelf (400Hz - 6.3kHz)
Headphone output: Speaker filter + Rehearsal stereo output
Tuner: Chromatic
Presets: 3 x user memories
Compression: SpectraCompTM multi-band compression
Drive: TubeToneTM full amp simulation
Preset level: 12dB range
Recording out: AES/EBU 96kHz output (S/PDIF compatible)
Rehearsal in: Stereo RCA input, (RCA-mini jack cable included)
Remote connection: 7-pin DIN connector incl. power and communication
Enclosure: 18mm plywood side panels, 18mm carved hardwood rounded corners
Surface treatment: 'Anti-skid' dual component surface
Porting: Rear porting
Woofer: Eminence custom 10"
Tweeter: Eminence 33mm voicecoil, titanium diaphragm
Tweeter adjustment: L-pad (off - 0dB)
Assuming the TC 112 is 'typical' of a high quality 112, that would be a 'small gig' only type rig. Even for stage monitoring with front of house support, a single 112 will only get 'so loud'. Great for acoustic type coffee house sets, jazz trio work, light 'folk/rock' small club work, etc. Two, of course, would get you 'almost' to 410-land volumewise, with the coupling effect, more cone area, and increased wattage.
I was never really happy with a single 112 in any situation other than a jazz trio type gig (i.e., acoustic piano or jazz guitar and drums, etc.).
IMO and IME.
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Power: 450 Watt (800+W peak)
Weight: 26kg / 57,3 lbs
Balanced 'DI' output: Galvanic isolated transformer-balanced (pre/post pre-amp)
Tone controls: Low shelf (71Hz - 1.1kHz), Low Mid (100Hz - 1.6kHz), High Mid (200Hz - 3.1kHz), High Shelf (400Hz - 6.3kHz)
Headphone output: Speaker filter + Rehearsal stereo output
Tuner: Chromatic
Presets: 3 x user memories
Compression: SpectraCompTM multi-band compression
Drive: TubeToneTM full amp simulation
Preset level: 12dB range
Recording out: AES/EBU 96kHz output (S/PDIF compatible)
Rehearsal in: Stereo RCA input, (RCA-mini jack cable included)
Remote connection: 7-pin DIN connector incl. power and communication
Enclosure: 18mm plywood side panels, 18mm carved hardwood rounded corners
Surface treatment: 'Anti-skid' dual component surface
Porting: Rear porting
Woofer: Eminence custom 10"
Tweeter: Eminence 33mm voicecoil, titanium diaphragm
Tweeter adjustment: L-pad (off - 0dB)
Remember again, the combo is nothing more than the RH450 and RS210 in a 'headcase' type design (that's not a bad thing, but there is nothing 'new' regarding the combo's specs versus the existing separates).
I would not worry about the rear port. Port location in a well designed box makes no difference.
The weight is not particularly good, and due to non-neo speakers, which I assume was done to keep costs down.
I did a couple rock gigs last winter with just one of the Mesa PH112's and a Little Mark when the weather was particularly horrendous so I didn't feel like hauling both cabs. Neither were exactly huge rooms, but I kept up with my two guitarists and drummer okay. Not something I would want to do on a regular basis though. Even though both of my guitarists have loud rigs, they aren't the most heavy handed players. That said, I don't think it would work in most of the bands that we play on bills with. I've had a few different 112's at this point and I don't think all of them could have handled those gigs, so I would tend to agree with you.
Those Mesa 112's are at the high end of the 'wump' factor for 112's, but as you say, even with the mighty Mesa, a 112 is only a 112.
Are there any neo-coax drivers out there? I can't think of any, and I assumed the neo-designs might make this impossible for now.
No.. Eminence, B&C and others make wonderful noe coax drivers (at least 12"... not sure about 10 though), but they are expensive. My guess is, it is a cost deal. Nothing wrong with that... a touch heavier for $100 or so less... not bad.
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How many of you folks have tried the RS410? Man, that think packs a wallop! Very balanced, pretty smooth, but still very punchy, with big, tight lows. I'm impressed, so far. 
I'm not really interested in owning one, but I've been curious about it. You have the rs210, right? How different are the two tonally? I haven't looked at the specs lately, but IIRC it was a good bit deeper physically than the 210, so I assumed it would be much fuller sounding.How many of you folks have tried the RS410? Man, that think packs a wallop! Very balanced, pretty smooth, but still very punchy, with big, tight lows. I'm impressed, so far.
Probably so. The TC cabs do seem fairly affordable compared to other Neo-loaded cabinets. I'd personally rather spend another $100-$200 and save the weight as long as the tone was still there. I'm sure the general market wouldn't play out like that though.
The other thing that might be driving this is that many neo's are still voiced just a touch to the upper mids, whereas a lot of 'traditional' drivers seem a bit more low mid punchy. You can hear this in the EpiUL's versus the PS's, the Bergantino AE's versus the HS's, etc.
Since, to my ear, the TC stuff is slanted a bit toward the 'tube amp/rock' player (i.e., lot's of 'SVT replacement' comments, etc.), they might have just been going for a bit more of a vintage-type meaty tone than the more modern, bright neo type voicing. Just guessing.
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It has the same general tone profile as the RS210 (and sounds much more like the 210 than the 212), but it has a much thicker, more beefy low end. The impressive part is, that with that much girth down low, most cabs will sound a bit too wooly, boomy, or bloated, but I certainly don't hear that with the RS410. I need to spend more time with it before I pass final judgment, but so far, it seems like a great way to get the general tone of the RS210, but in a bigger, thicker sounding package.
Tom.
It's a shame they didn't make that a 4ohm cab. I would assume two RS210's would still be superior, given the modest wattage of the RH450. It also is a relatively heavy beast (70+ pounds) from what I remember from the specs on the site.
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I just traded my rs210 to Eublet for another rs212.
WOW! 4-12's!
I really like having the same cab on top as is on the floor.
Now I know the EQ is the same from both cabs.
Quite a bit more low-end...and a little "flatter" response.
Very happy!
WOW! 4-12's!
I really like having the same cab on top as is on the floor.
Now I know the EQ is the same from both cabs.
Quite a bit more low-end...and a little "flatter" response.
Very happy!
I haven't had a chance to play with the dual's yet, but I hope to do that today. I think I'll be very happy with this also. I'm somewhat jealous though as I know those 212's will absolutely slam.I just traded my rs210 to Eublet for another rs212.
WOW! 4-12's!
I really like having the same cab on top as is on the floor.
Now I know the EQ is the same from both cabs.
Quite a bit more low-end...and a little "flatter" response.
Very happy!
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I will miss the portability of the 210---and the 10's have a certain sweet mid sound that is awsome.
Guys, RH450 digital out question.
Can I run the digital out to my In Ear transmitter whilst using the DI to the desk?
I know I can get a feed from the desk, but I want to be in control when using new and various sound Guys who sometimes are not concerned with In Ears.
Cheers, Pete
Can I run the digital out to my In Ear transmitter whilst using the DI to the desk?
I know I can get a feed from the desk, but I want to be in control when using new and various sound Guys who sometimes are not concerned with In Ears.
Cheers, Pete
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