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Tech 21 VT Bass 1969 head!

#242
tbird36go said:
Dude I've been playing bass 20 years & have had 200watt amps & 1200Watt amps. I've played in front of 3 people & 2000 people in all sorts of places & their is no way a full on giging bassist in a rock band is gona do anything with 300 watts (unless its tube watts which this amp is not).
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don't speak for all gigging rock bassists. i have played in some super loud rock bands using a 100w ampeg v4b. full on gigging 2-6 nights a week.

I need every bit of my 4pro's 1200 RMS pumping those speakers just to push past my 2 loud guitarist, drummer & singer. I have never even seen any real giging rock bassist use a 300watt solid state head except for practice. I owned the Landmark 600 & I gave it up because the power section was too weak. I like the idea of this head just not the power section. The head isn't little because it's not a digital power amp (class D). You cant get that tech 21 sansamp tone using digital power because it's too sterile. Thais amp is most likley class A/B. A class D amplifying stage has no distortion and no noise generation in the audible band so that would not work with their tube emulation. This is why the amp is regular size.
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since the vt has its own distortion circuit, it's completely immaterial whether you use class ab or d.
 
#243
parsons said:
I have a hard time not believing any of the following from the rest of the keyboard commandos complaining about using 200-300 watts of SS power isn't "enough" for them.

1. Your cab is super inefficient.
2. You don't play out.
3. If you do actually play, you haven't the slightest clue what an effective live bass tone/volume/eq should sound like. Inexperience?
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This is ignorant. Just because what works for you doesn't work for everyone else doesn't mean they're doing something wrong or don't know better.
 
#245
christw said:
I agree with you but not everyone is you or I. I've never needed more than 50w and probably a 210 for a live scenario. I had a 160w head and 810 that was overkill for those shows, even playing metal and post hardcore. It also managed to cover rehearsals with spare headroom after our volume wars ended.

However, plenty of people play different music in different venues than you or I. Plenty of people also strive for different tones, especially scooped ones that'll fit into a loud environment. I can see why they want 1500 watts to keep up but I'm sure you'll agree with me that they could have a "good" (relative term) bass tone with a lot less power and with different EQ settings.
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Personaly I cant have some sound man dictate my tone. I don't wana hear some wack bass tone through a stage monitor. We play with bands like Lamb Of God, RPG, Municipal Waste & a host of other Richmond, VA metal outfits. I guess it's just a RVA thing then because we love to play loud, hard & fast. Listen to my last band myspace.com/chalklinebeautyrva you will hear not a bit of scooped tone I hate that stuff. I always make sure I'm on top of the guitars because we we're a bassline driven band.
 
#248
As the originator of the Tech 21 fanboy thread, I mentioned I sold my LM300 due to feeling it was underpowered. But y'know what, it kept up with a 2-guitar rock band just fine, even when I was reduced to using an 8 ohm 4x10 (after the other 8 ohm cab blew a driver).

I was concerned because I found I was running the master volume over half most of the time, and I'd always been told (mostly by TBers) that that's a sign your amp is underpowered. The amp itself never missed a beat though. My other rig at the time was the aforementioned 6RU monstrosity, and compared to that or an SVT, my LM300 was a delight to take to gigs and practices.

I don't trust these class D amps, as I've had a few issues in the past. If I'm using one, I make sure I run into a DI first.

c-
 
#250
idoru said:
As the originator of the Tech 21 fanboy thread, I mentioned I sold my LM300 due to feeling it was underpowered. But y'know what, it kept up with a 2-guitar rock band just fine, even when I was reduced to using an 8 ohm 4x10 (after the other 8 ohm cab blew a driver).

I was concerned because I found I was running the master volume over half most of the time, and I'd always been told (mostly by TBers) that that's a sign your amp is underpowered. The amp itself never missed a beat though. My other rig at the time was the aforementioned 6RU monstrosity, and compared to that or an SVT, my LM300 was a delight to take to gigs and practices.

I don't trust these class D amps, as I've had a few issues in the past. If I'm using one, I make sure I run into a DI first.

c-
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I'm on the fence with Class D myself. they can be run with analog inputs but no ones done it justice yet. I realy miss my LM600. If they made a 600W one I may look into buying it.
 
#252
tbird36go said:
I'm on the fence with Class D myself. they can be run with analog inputs but no ones done it justice yet. I realy miss my LM600. If they made a 600W one I may look into buying it.
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Isn't the Genz Benz streamliner a lot like what half of the people are asking?

Massive wattage with a tube preamp section that it's hinted is SVT-like.
 
#253
parsons said:
I have a hard time not believing any of the following from the rest of the keyboard commandos complaining about using 200-300 watts of SS power isn't "enough" for them.

1. Your cab is super inefficient.
2. You don't play out.
3. If you do actually play, you haven't the slightest clue what an effective live bass tone/volume/eq should sound like. Inexperience?
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Well, I play this kind of gig:

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Around 800.000 or 1.000.000 people in the streets altogether. Been doing this for 23 years...

300W SS is NOT enough for what I do...

Guess I don't have the slightest clue, huh?
 
#254
idoru said:
As the originator of the Tech 21 fanboy thread, I mentioned I sold my LM300 due to feeling it was underpowered. But y'know what, it kept up with a 2-guitar rock band just fine, even when I was reduced to using an 8 ohm 4x10 (after the other 8 ohm cab blew a driver).

I was concerned because I found I was running the master volume over half most of the time, and I'd always been told (mostly by TBers) that that's a sign your amp is underpowered.
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most tb'ers are alternately half full of crap, half pushing an agenda where they want everyone to do as they do and can't stand it when someone else wants to do something else, and half just making up stuff. knob position has absolutely nothing to do with whether an amp is underpowered, and half these bozos who told you that wouldn't have a clue in the world how much wattage their amp is pushing.
 
#258
This thread is like a bar-room brawl or a World Wrestling Battle Royale!

Nobody can win it, but you just keep swinging and hope you connect

If anybody does come out victorious, they can have the opportunity to buy one of these units or not

Go, get 'em! This is better than what's on cable! :-)
 
#259
CharlieC said:
This thread is like a bar-room brawl or a World Wrestling Battle Royale!

Nobody can win it, but you just keep swinging and hope you connect

If anybody does come out victorious, they can have the opportunity to buy one of these units or not

Go, get 'em! This is better than what's on cable! :-)
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lol! it's funny because it's true!
 

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