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Tech 21 VT Bass 1969 head!

#143
andrew said:
Why would you buy the Streamliner over the 1969, and if you get the streamliner will you use it with the VT Bass pedal?
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The same reasons I'm selling my SVT-II and everyone is griping about the 1969 except for the power. I want something smaller, lighter, and with capabilities for a phat tube tone. The streamliner is 18 lbs lighter, smaller, has a real tube preamp, and will probably be $150-$250 more expensive excluding discounts than the VT 1969 when it hits the market. I say it's worth it.

I tend to buy used unless it's a heck of a deal and I know we're talking about new products so this is more hypothetical at this point. If I buy a Streamliner, I might use my VT pedal with it but I reserve that for nasty overdriven tones about 85% of the time. The rest of its use is me doodling to see what kind of fluffy (fat) bass tones I can get out of it.
 
#144
christw said:
Worth noting that 300 watts go a long way with an effecient cab. I barely ask anything above idle effort from my SVT-II through my 610, which is rated at 105db@1w/1m. It wasn't anywhere as loud through my SVT810. My 30w tube head through my Bad End Cab can take out your hearing. Pair this head with the right cab and mmmmm...
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Very true. Remember folks, volume has far more to do with your speakers than it does with the watts coming out of the amp. Assuming no marketing tricks have been employed in their calculation, 300 watts should be plenty. Unless you're Derek Smalls and need an 8x15 cab. :D
 
#146
DuckVanMojo said:
Remember folks, volume has far more to do with your speakers than it does with the watts coming out of the amp. Assuming no marketing tricks have been employed in their calculation, 300 watts should be plenty. Unless you're Derek Smalls and need an 8x15 cab. :D
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That was what I was getting at with that post. Efficiency goes a long, long way. I shudder every time some kid wants to go from 500 to 900 watts through a cheap, inefficient rig and has their mind made up that cabs aren't the issue. I did my research before I bought any cab in the last year. I made sure my Genz was one of the best on the market in it's price bracket before I bought it.
 
#147
christw said:
That was what I was getting at with that post. Efficiency goes a long, long way. I shudder every time some kid wants to go from 500 to 900 watts through a cheap, inefficient rig and has their mind made up that cabs aren't the issue. I did my research before I bought any cab in the last year. I made sure my Genz was one of the best on the market in it's price bracket before I bought it.
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I prefer sealed, tweeter-less cabs. There are plenty of cabs that are more efficient, but they are my preference for the tone they provide, so I need my amp to be able to do more of the work to get the volume I need.
 
#148
andrew said:
I prefer sealed, tweeter-less cabs. There are plenty of cabs that are more efficient, but they are my preference for the tone they provide, so I need my amp to be able to do more of the work to get the volume I need.
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Let me correct myself. I bought the best cab for me. :p I know that my preferences aren't right for everyone. I won't critique you for getting your tone how you do and I understand that this amp just isn't for you. I also realize that it would probably be a lot cooler if the Tech 21 was a higher powered alternative to an SVT for you (and others). I don't meant to argue this bit. I'm just of the category of player that it would work for so it's rating doesn't irk me so much. ;)
 
#149
christw said:
Let me correct myself. I bought the best cab for me. :p I know that my preferences aren't right for everyone. I won't critique you for getting your tone how you do and I understand that this amp just isn't for you. I also realize that it would probably be a lot cooler if the Tech 21 was a higher powered alternative to an SVT for you (and others). I don't meant to argue this bit. I'm just of the category of player that it would work for so it's rating doesn't irk me so much. ;)
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I understand, and your point is valid, I was just pointing out that sometimes a more efficient cab isn't an option to compensate for what the amp can't do. No argument necessary. ;)
 
#150
@bongomania
"bogus, utterly lame, fake-a$$, lies, lame marketing, bamboozle and it's a trap"
These aren't childish?!
@andrew
But has any one tried this pre and power section together?!
@jmattbassplaya
I didn't count but it seems like the consensus is 50/50
PeaCe
 
#152
CrUiSeR said:
@andrew
But has any one tried this pre and power section together?
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It is possible to try them together but no one who's posted here has tried to line in a VT bass pedal to the Landmark 300's power section that I know of.
I don't know what point you're trying to make asking this question. Let me know.
 
#155
andrew said:
What bass do you use? It sounds like the VT is feeding the LM's input a hotter signal than your bass does without it.
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It actually doesn't matter which bass I use, my quietest passive or my active Yamaha. If I set the amp's gain just below the point where the clip light would flicker when I dig in hard, and then turn on the pedal, I am able to turn up the pedal volume to make the sound a LOT louder before it starts causing that light on the amp to flicker. If it were just putting out a bigger signal, wouldn't it cause the clip light to flicker at an apparent volume level just barely over where it is with the pedal off? It's almost like the signal is actually less hot but produces an tone that sounds a lot hotter to the ear. It's weird and I don't know how it could be doing it unless it screens out power-hungry ultra lows that aren't necessary for the audible tone to sound deep and full.
 
#157
lunarpollen said:
It actually doesn't matter which bass I use, my quietest passive or my active Yamaha. If I set the amp's gain just below the point where the clip light would flicker when I dig in hard, and then turn on the pedal, I am able to turn up the pedal volume to make the sound a LOT louder before it starts causing that light on the amp to flicker. If it were just putting out a bigger signal, wouldn't it cause the clip light to flicker at an apparent volume level just barely over where it is with the pedal off? It's almost like the signal is actually less hot but produces an tone that sounds a lot hotter to the ear. It's weird and I don't know how it could be doing it unless it screens out power-hungry ultra lows that aren't necessary for the audible tone to sound deep and full.
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Hmm, then I don't have an answer either. I've experienced the effect you're talking about with other Tech 21 gear too. But I'm mostly a passive bass guy, so for me it seemed like the pedal is behaving like an active preamp.
 
#159
lunarpollen said:
It actually doesn't matter which bass I use, my quietest passive or my active Yamaha. If I set the amp's gain just below the point where the clip light would flicker when I dig in hard, and then turn on the pedal, I am able to turn up the pedal volume to make the sound a LOT louder before it starts causing that light on the amp to flicker. If it were just putting out a bigger signal, wouldn't it cause the clip light to flicker at an apparent volume level just barely over where it is with the pedal off? It's almost like the signal is actually less hot but produces an tone that sounds a lot hotter to the ear. It's weird and I don't know how it could be doing it unless it screens out power-hungry ultra lows that aren't necessary for the audible tone to sound deep and full.
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When you're using the pedal do you feel that you still have the same dynamic range in your playing? If you pluck a note hard vs soft you still have that full range and apparent volume difference? I feel like the VT is compressing those peaks (right when you pluck) in the signal such that it seems that you're getting a lot more volume, except at the cost of those immediate and often unnoticed spikes which would otherwise clip the preamp. Most likely you'll feel like you've lost a little bit of dynamics by playing hard. Then again, those might have been replaced with grit when you use the VT. Essentially the same thing as clipping your amplifier's preamp section to compress your signal except that the VT sounds good doing it.
 
#160
christw said:
Unless someone ran a Bass VT into the power amp of a Landmark 300, I doubt anyone outside of Tech 21 (or maybe NAMM?) has tried any semblance of this combination.
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I almost did!

I've had a Landmark 300 for a few years now. I came across a used Markbass LM2 a while ago for a fair price so figured I'd give it a shot. I bought a VT bass to run in front of the LM2 to tube it up a bit, and get a little grit. Found I preferred My LM300 over the LM2 + VT combo....took the VT bass back...not sold on the LM2 yet but still messing with it.
 

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